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Looking at the Little Things — 5.03 “Jughead”

By SonyaLynn,

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Jughead's TIme Police #1...no, really!Desmond-centric episodes always deliver, don’t they? “Live Together, Die Alone,” “Flashes Before Your Eyes,” “Catch-22,” “The Constant,” and now “Jughead”…the list reads like a highlights reel of the series to date, ranging from the merely very good to the positively mind-blowing. There’s a reason the time-skipping Scot quickly became a fan favorite, and it’s not just Henry Ian Cusick’s breezy charm, though he does have that in spades! It’s also that every time it’s his episode, Lost just gets that much more wonderfully weird and gives Lostologists so much more to chew on. That we get more from the single most beloved relationship on the show (suck it, Jaters and Skaters! 😛 ) is just gravy.

In “Jughead,” ambiguity is the watchword of the day with very few scenes being what they seemed to be on the surface. Hell, even the reference in the title is ambiguous, since “Jughead” was both the name of an actual experimental H-bomb and of a time-traveling Archie character! (Don’t think they meant the Archie reference? Then why did Widmore’s appropriated uniform say “Jones?”) About the closest thing we got to straightforward was Locke’s closing the time-loop that brings him to the Island and makes him either the resurrected Once and Future Island King™ or else the biggest patsy ever used and abused by this particular hunk of exotic-matter-laden rock, putting even poor Michael to shame.

(Aside: And really, wasn’t it just one of the most cold-blooded moments on the show so far when Island Apparition Christian appeared to pointedly dismiss the at least partially redeemed Michael? No one deserves that…except Nikki & Paulo, of course.)

So let’s start with the Locke subplot before we get to the main course of Desmoliciousness. (I do so love Desmond-based neologisms, or “Desmologisms.” 😛 )

Pre-des-tin-a-tion, pre-des-tin-a-yay-tion…it’s making me loop!

Richard shows us his, 'say WHAAAA?!?' face.That grown-up Locke ended up being the cause for Alpert’s previously-mysterious interest in young Locke may seem anticlimactic to the hardened sci-fi geeks in the house. I mean, we’ve all seen predestination loops before. But that reaction gives short shrift to this scene by focusing too narrowly.

Just as important in the exchange between time-jaunting Locke and 1954 Alpert was the fact that Alpert and the 1954 Others (including promising rookies Charles Widmore and Ellie-probably-Eloise Hawking) seemed ignorant of time travel as a possibility on the Island. It certainly looked to me as thought it was this strange visitation by the class of 2004 that first showed them it was even a possibility and that they should start studying bleeding-edge physics, stat!

In so doing, Locke (and Faraday) actually gave rise to the epic-scale ensurance trap being spearheaded by Hawking and blessed by Alpert (after all, Jacob sent Locke, right?) to ensure that all the Lostaways were aboard fateful flight 815 and Desmond entered Widmore’s sailing race.

It also resulted in the careful grooming of Faraday (who I’m more convinced than ever is Hawking’s son, but more on that later) as a temporal troubleshooter. Think about it…if the sudden disappearance of of the ’04 Lostaways didn’t completely verify their outlandish story, then the birth of one John Locke in Tustin, CA, a mere two years later certainly did. It also explains the seemingly excessive emotional response by Alpert to 5-year-old Locke’s failure of the Other Lama Test™.

So, while Locke’s role in setting the predestination loop in motion was clarified, his fate was rendered more ambivalent than ever. Locke’s ascension to Other leadership as a child would clearly have gone against the time-stream’s (or maybe just the Island’s) necessary configuration. As Faraday said, most of us can’t change the past. Locke had to fail that test and he had to turn down the “Science Camp” invitation from Mittelos as well. He had to lose the kidney, survive his 8-story fall, be miserable in a wheelchair for some years, crash with Oceanic 815, be miraculously healed, do all the things we’ve seen him do on the Island, and actually die in the service of this grand design.

(Further Aside: Is it just me or does this throw some serious doubt on the ultimate employer of Mr. Matthew Abaddon thanks to his visit to the convalescing Locke? The possibility that he’s a double-agent only pretending to work for Widmore while actually serving Ben, Alpert, and Hawking is intriguing, to say the least.)

Furthermore, it’s becoming clearer and clearer that Jeremy Bentham-vintage Locke actually did not spend three years leading the Others and soaking up Island lore. Instead, bouncing around through time and never managing to get full explanations out of any version of Alpert he meets, he seems more out of control and less clued-in now than he’s ever been (his quick adaptation to using details like when certain rifles were made as temporal landmarks notwithstanding). Increasingly, he looks like the Island’s most-exploited dupe.

But then…it’s still only the beginning of Season 5 with the better part of two full seasons to go and Locke’s biography remains studded with miracles, the list of which I’ve gone through before. I still read this as setting Locke up for the ultimate miracle of resurrection and a chance for our master player of games to finally make the decisive move that “wins” for everyone the show and possibly everyone on Earth. Who knows? Maybe like poor, canceled John Doe, Locke will wake up with the Akashic Records in his head and Jack as his converted apostle. (I really like that scenario, by the way! You listening, Darlton? 😉 )

We also got to see that Richard doesn’t merely seem ageless by virtue being a time-traveler, as some had suggested previously, but has actually stayed young for very long periods of time. If anything, the evidence at hand would appear to suggest that Alpert has only ever traveled in time at the usual 1:1 speed. (“How old is he?” “Old.” I still say Alpert, at least, was on the Black Rock, dangit!)

Of course, this segues nicely to those fresh-faced youngsters, Widmore and Ellie…

I had a feeling when I’d met you that I’d seen you before. I saw the city of Paris in civil war…

They're so cute at that age...The fact that Widmore was an Other in 1954 utterly confirms for me the basic premise of my “Others Civil War” hypothesis from last week’s recap, while still forcing me to change the details given that young Widmore would certainly appear to be “temporally appropriate” (ditto Ellie, assuming she’s Hawking, which I very much do!) to the grizzled, vicious old corporate raider in the present day.

Clearly, at some point, Charles tried to usurp power over the Others and the Island for himself. Though now I’m forced to conclude that this happened sometime in the late ’50s or ’60s in order for him to have gotten exiled to the outside world with enough time to spare to become a captain of industry thanks to his mad Other skillz before being the “silent partner” helping fund the DHARMA Initiative in the ’70s.

His ruthlessness was established early on by his willingness to snap his compatriot’s head rather than lead Locke, Sawyer, and Juliet to the Others’ camp. Ditto his arrogance by his inability to see Locke as anything more than “a sodding old man” who couldn’t possibly track His Otherness or know the Island as well as he does. Certainly sounds like the profile of an ill-fated would-be revolutionary and all-around hot-headed malcontent, don’t you think?

Meanwhile, young Ellie was given a really fine reason to start learning all she could about Minkowski space-time and probability by a traveler from the future. She also certainly seems to have ended up off the Island in the future, raising the possibility that she might have been a rebel on Widmore’s side. Possibly even his lover, as some are already theorizing, making Penny and Faraday half-siblings. (And we all know how Lost loves itself some secret half-sibs courtesy of Christian Shephard’s philandering ways…)

For her to turn around and fashion her son into an instrument for either troubleshooting or monkey-wrenching time itself (depending on how you choose to interpret it) would add yet another Dickensian touch to the proceedings. Anyone remember nasty old Miss Havisham, raising her daughter to break the hearts of men as a man had broken her own heart by jilting her at the altar in her youth? I know most of you are still trying to forget ninth grade English, but still…do try to remember your Great Expectations!

Despite all this seeming clarification, we once more find ambiguity in Eloise Hawking’s agenda in the future. Is she ultimately on Ben’s side? Widmore’s? Time’s? Her own? Whatever she is, she’s certainly not some passive Oracle of Time willing to do her thing for all sides without an agenda of her own. Yes, she may be helping Ben and the Oceanic 6 get back to the Island, but is that an alliance of convenience or a true loyalty to Ben (or just against Widmore) on her part? Is she trying to preserve the timeline, as she said to a confused Desmond all the way back in “Flashes Before Your Eyes,” or is that just a smokescreen for her attempt to use Daniel and Des to perpetrate the biggest temporal hack ever undertaken?

So, the reveals that both Widmore and Hawking were once Others, and that Ellie almost certainly grew up to be Eloise Hawking, mother of Daniel Faraday (and really, are those assumed names or what?) may seem par for the course on Lost, but don’t focus too much on the surface. Focus on the murkier depths instead, because meeting their past selves has done little to clarify the future of either character or their progeny.

Also, regarding Ellie, I think people are making wayyyy too much out of her comment to Daniel, “You just couldn’t stay away, could you?” This is a classic misdirection on the part of the Lost writers. This was a comment born out of the initial misapprehension on her part that Daniel, Miles, and Charlotte were somehow connected to the US military, with whom the Others had only recently done battle (and slaughtered to a man), and who left behind the titular Jughead, the H-bomb. It wasn’t Ellie recognizing Faraday at all, though as we heard in subsequent dialogue, Daniel recognized Ellie. (Holy broad hint, Batman!)

(Yet Another Aside: In further ambivalence news, weren’t the young Ellie and Widmore both dead ringers for how we’d expect them to look in their youth while simultaneously having two of the worst attempts at English accents ever heard on television? Oh my, yes!)

Okay, okay…now on to Desmond!

Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!

Kick-ass Desmond works his mojo but still lacks the 411.I know I can’t be the only one who gets a little misty over Des & Pen getting at least three years of globetrotting, off-the-grid connubial bliss or that they named their adorable little moppet Charlie. (Awwwwww!) But nothing good can ever come of seeming to get your “happily ever after” only two-thirds of the way through the story. And, sure enough, poor Desmond has to go back to Ithaca…er, Oxford…to run another errand for Daniel and all the endangered leftover Lostaways. Being a unique temporal anomaly can really have its down-sides.

And, for all that Desmond showed us a more take-charge side as he stormed into Papa Widmore’s office rather than approaching as a supplicant, he (like Locke) seems to be dancing on the strings of hidden puppeteers. Eagle-eyed viewers have already noticed that the receptionist at Oxford was played by the same actress who played the Oceanic Airlines gate attendant in Sydney who saw flight 815 off. On a show that’s used the same extras to mill around in the background since Season 1, that simply can’t be an oversight on the casting director’s part.

We know for a fact that extra special attention has been paid to the manipulation of one Desmond David Hume’s life—Brother Campbell, Ms. Hawking, Charles Widmore, Libby, Faraday, and no doubt many more have been expending Herculean efforts to ensure that he act as required for as-yet-unknown purposes thanks to his “specialness.” (Yeesh. You turn one little key and suddenly the burden of the entire time-stream is on your shoulders…very unfair, I say!)

So, the trip from her to Faraday’s “sealed” lab to meet the suspiciously helpful caretaker, to poor, time-unstuck Theresa, to Widmore’s office to get the slip of paper with Mama Faraday’s LA address on it seems awfully orchestrated…which only further obfuscates Hawking’s ultimate allegiance if so. And, even if the caretaker was on the up-and-up—an unexpected wrinkle based on Desmond theoretically being rebuffed by the “Daniel’s not here, man!” response from the planted receptionist—it still seems odd that Widmore would know how to find Hawking and be willing to give Desmond that info.

That the destination of Oxford was originally planted in Desmond’s brain by Daniel is also curious. It doesn’t beggar imagination that 2004 Daniel didn’t know that mummy had relocated in the intervening three years to LA, but somehow someone still knew that Desmond Hume would be showing up in Oxford on that lovely 2007 day. Hell, at this point I might be willing to believe it was a future version of Desmond, all Wyld Stallyns style.

It’s going to be one mighty interesting day when Des faces Ms. Hawking again after over a decade, and double trouble to boot since it’ll put Penny and Ben Linus in close proximity. Hopefully, he’ll remember Hawking. That Des couldn’t remember that it was in 1996 that he’d last gone to Oxford with the events of “The Constant” comparatively fresh in his mind (only three years as opposed to eleven years previous) is more than a little unsettling after Charlotte’s memory lapse last episode. If Des has time-travel sickness as a result of Faraday’s implanted memory or as a delayed, dormant effect of the effects of all Des’ other time-jaunts, I’m gonna get mighty pissy.

This is what you want. This is what you get.

Somebody ordered the 'nuclear hot wings?'Which finally leaves the 800 lb. gorilla in the room, by which I mean the 6-megaton-yield hydrogen bomb, Jughead. The one question I’m not hearing anyone ask, let alone answer, is how the US military managed to stumble its way to this particular Island to test a bomb capable of vaporizing it entirely when Widmore, Ben, and others with astonishing skills and resources can’t find their way there even with very specific intent.

I can only formulate one possible answer to this question: the Island wanted that bomb.

Why? Beats the hell out of me. It clearly didn’t have much use for the military personnel accompanying said bomb as it allowed its faithful servants to mow them down expeditiously. It also prevented the one man likely to have the acumen to “render it inert” from actually doing so by yanking on the ol’ time-strings to leave Faraday and the others goodness knows when.

As has been observed on several occasions, things buried on this particular Island have a way of showing up again, and burying the bomb is exactly what Faraday told the ’54 Others to do. That means there’s still a highly experimental nuclear fusion bomb with compromised shielding somewhere on this Island fifty years later, thus becoming the single largest instance of Chekhov’s Gun ever seen on network television.

Could the Island be considering suicide like the Luna Central Computer in Steel Beach? On Lost, anything’s possible…

(Final Aside: To all you people out there speculating that Charlie Hume-Widmore somehow time-loops back around to become Charles Widmore, I’m sorry…I really just don’t think that Darlton would have a major character be straight out of a novelty song. There is such a thing as a time-loop too far!)

From TVFrenzy:

  • Just one point…I’m not altogether sure Ellie was completely ignorant to the notion of time travel. I say this because of the way she reacted when Faraday first mentioned it. There was something about the way she says “What did you just say?” while choking back tears that tells me the notion was suggested to her before, and she probably wouldn’t allow herself to believe it at the time.

  • Hm…I didn’t read her response that way, but hey…like I said, ambiguity’s the name of the game in this episode! 😉

  • In case anyone was curious where I got my section header text from…

    “Pre-des-tin-a-tion, pre-des-tin-a-yay-tion…it’s making me loop!” —Lostified paraphrase of Carly Simon’s song, “Anticipation”

    “I had a feeling when I’d met you that I’d seen you before. I saw the city of Paris in civil war…” —Andy Prieboy, “Who Do You Think We’re Coming For?”

    “Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!” —the only worthwhile line from Godfather III

    “This is what you want. This is what you get.” —Public Image Limited, “The Order of Death”

    • Hipster Doofus

      Thanks for this, I was very curious about the Paris one. I even googled it to no avail.

      • I’m going to be posting a wee article about Prieboy on my personal blog shortly, as it happens. I do a recurring feature there I call “The Best Bands You’ve (Probably) Never Heard Of,” and Prieboy’s obscurity is nothing short of criminal, IMHO. Prolly have that posted there later tonight. http://sonyalynn.com

  • Dan

    Re “two of the worst attempts at English accents ever heard on television” — Tom Connolly (Jones) is himself British. Not that that means he couldn’t have assumed a bad English accent …

    • You’re kidding me…in “Jughead” at least his accent came off to my ear like an American badly assuming an English one. o.O

      • Joshua

        Just to clear something up – I met Tom Connolly. He’s from England and did not change his natural accent in any way to play the role. In person he sounds exactly like he does on the show.

      • kara

        Not to present myself as some kind of expert, but I’m studying English (which in my country comprises Literary, Social and Linguistic Studies), and the guy is as definitely either from the UK or Ireland (apparently the former, judging from what Joshua says below) as the girl who played Ellie is not.

  • Kara

    (Yet Another Aside: In further ambivalence news, weren’t the young Ellie and Widmore both dead ringers for how we’d expect them to look in their youth while simultaneously having two of the worst attempts at English accents ever heard on television? Oh my, yes!)

    Actually, no: Tom Connolly is either British or Irish, so this is his actual accent. It’s Alan Dale who goes Australian instead of English more often than not.

  • Markus

    I don’t think that Widmore has anything to do with the Dharma Initiative for a simple reason: DI knew how to get on and off the Island and Widmore didn’t.

    • Charlie’s Ghost

      Yes, but there’s a difference between knowing how and actually doing it. What if the method that was in use by the DI is no longer possible and the island, itself, moved? i.e. Submarine sails on a specific head. Submarine blows up. Get another ship and sail the same heading? Oh wait, the island isn’t there anymore….. This is why I think Ben moved the island once before. It was when Widmore was off-island and Ben was taking over control.

      • Exactly what I was thinking…Widmore may very well have found the Island in order to have put DHARMA there. In dialogue, it was said that Widmore had been searching for the Island unsuccessfully for 20 years, or since about 1984: around the time of the Purge. Assuming that Widmore’s unsuccessful insurrection happened in the late ’50s, that means it took him about 20 years to find the Island with the DI as well.

        • The Mantis

          We also have to keep in mind that “The one who moves the Island can never come back”. And we have no idea WHY that is…

          • Er…Ben could also have been exaggerating for effect…shading the truth, as it were. It would probably be very hard for someone who turned the FDW to come back, but impossible? I doubt that. 😉

  • The Magician

    Ellie’s attempt at an English accent was quite shocking, but there’s something still quite captivating about her acting. She seems to have a great screen presence, at least in my opinion.

    • Malakai

      I just thought her voice sounded odd because this actress is trying to talk in the same manner as the actress playing 2007 Hawking. That actress talks in a very clipped brief manner and this actress is trying to do the accent and the distinct speech pattern of another actress who is a lot older, so its kind of hard.

      • Yeah…trying to do that in an accent that isn’t your normal one must be all the harder yet.

    • Hipster Doofus

      I totally agree. It could be the fact that she’s very attractive, but so is Evangeline Lilly, and I find Ellie far more captivating. She’s definitely got some kind of “it” factor.

    • the_professor

      It’s the eyes! Always the eyes. Loved the way she played the moments between her and Desmond, that mix of fear, anger, and whatever duty she felt she had. I agree: hope to see more work from her!

  • malakai

    I really don’t want Widmore to be Charlie Hume. I too think it would be a bit much. But I can’t put it past them.

    Another thought though, when Widmore tells Desmond “dont get involved” is this kind of the opposite of the Hurley-Ben scene from “The Lie”? Is he warning Des off thinking “this guy hates me and will do the opposite of what I say so if I want this time-anomoly man back on the Island I better tell him to stay away”?

    • kara

      really don’t want Widmore to be Charlie Hume. I too think it would be a bit much. But I can’t put it past them.

      I don’t think you need to worry about this one – genetically, he can’t be his own grandfather, and narratively, there would seem no point in doing this.

  • james

    “Eagle-eyed viewers have already noticed that the receptionist at Oxford was played by the same actress who played the Oceanic Airlines gate attendant in Sydney who saw flight 815 off. On a show that’s used the same extras to mill around in the background since Season 1, that simply can’t be an oversight on the casting director’s part.”

    This becomes ESPECIALLY more likely when you include Widmore’s encounter with Sun in
    “Because You Left” when it is shown that he most likely has many airport employees in his pocket.

  • Hipster Doofus

    “The one question I’m not hearing anyone ask, let alone answer, is how the US military managed to stumble its way to this particular Island to test a bomb capable of vaporizing it entirely when Widmore, Ben, and others with astonishing skills and resources can’t find their way there even with very specific intent.”

    I was definitely asking this question. At first I thought the military knew something about the island, but the fact that they were all killed so easily means that it was sort of like an Oceanic 815 “finding the island.” None of them meant to go there, but the island definitely wanted them.

    And I’m surprised that nobody has mentioned “The Stand” by Steven King yet. It was always something that the writers said that they took inspiration from, and now that a nuclear bomb, a la “Randall Flagg” has magically made its way into the story, I can’t help but notice the similarity. I just hope the hand of God doesn’t come along and detonate it. Although I guess you could consider Smokey a form of the “hand of God.”

    • Yaknow, The Stand has actually been mentioned in the context of Lost on other occasions (ditto The Dark Tower series) and I know that the Lost writers are influenced by King. But I have to confess that, while aware of these works I’ve never been much of a fan myself, so it really doesn’t influence my reading terribly much and that’s probably an oversight on my part, given that both Lost and The Stand do seem to be about nothing less than the fate of the world.

      For the record: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Stand

  • calebspeaks

    “The one question I’m not hearing anyone ask, let alone answer, is how the US military managed to stumble its way to this particular Island to test a bomb capable of vaporizing it entirely when Widmore, Ben, and others with astonishing skills and resources can’t find their way there even with very specific intent.”

    What if the island was easily accessible for most of history (ie native(?) inhabitants, the Black rock) But said H-Bomb is the very incident that causes the island to become unstuck. We still don’t know what was behind the wall of cement in the swan station, perhaps a radiation emitting H-BOMB? combined with the unique forces of the island cause the very disturbance that keeps the island hidden from all others.

    • I wouldn’t rule it out, but the Island seems to have had special properties for as long as it’s existed and the mechanism to move the Island in time (the frozen donkey wheel) goes back to a civilization that used hieroglyphics.

      No, I’m pretty sure the Island wanted that bomb for its own purposes, not the least of which being that it represents the emergence of a new threat to the whole world—remember that Jughead itself is one of the very first generation of fusion rather than fission bombs and that its vintage is less than 10 years younger than that of the bombs dropped on Japan in WWII.

      The Island has been shown to have a will of its own and the ability to manipulate the timestream to get what it wants and that kind of power can keep the whole world alive or can kill it, which to me also explains the apparently lofty standards for Others membership: intelligence, lack of character flaws, etc. It’s always when people on the Island or in Others society don’t meet those goals that Very Bad Things™ seem to happen.

      • DT

        The Jughead was buried in the Swan station and was what Desmond set off with the failsafe key. That is why the island wanted it there, to unstick him from timeand possibly yet to be revealed reasons. The Island wants Desmond to save everyone and itself. I think when he says he is “saving the world” he is just not repeating the words of Kelvin in reference to the Swan, but the writers are giving us the clue that he is the person that will save everyone including the island. We are given that same reinforcement by Daniel. Desmond is special. Another clue, he was nude after he turned the failsafe. He was reborn, as the island’s savior.

        • Erm…if Des had set off an H-bomb by turning the fail-safe key that would have been the end of the show. The Island would be uninhabited ’cause, ya know, *BOOM!* Think “mushroom cloud and total devastation” rather than “purple sky, funny noise, and smallish crater.”

          • DT

            I been thinking about that. I still believe that when Dharma turned the Frozen donkey wheel with the polar bear it started the jughead explosion. thats what the 108 minute countdown was about, releasing the pressure so that the device never actually went into fusion. One way of defusing such a device is an explosion surrounding it that effectively neutralizes the atomic blast. That is what the failsafe was for,if you do not release the pressure at some point the fusion reaction will start. Then the only way to stop it would be an explosion that interrupts the fusion. Look it up that really works on this type of H-bomb. The Purple sky and everything else that happened will have to be filed under Island magic because I don’t think we have been given enough info on the Swan’s EM fields. I think thta putting that leaking bomb there is what cause the strange EM anyway. That is why it is coming from the section of the Swan where the Jughead is most likely buried.

          • ddddd

            the sound was an EMP (explanation below)

            [Gamma rays from a nuclear explosion produce high energy electrons through Compton scattering. These electrons are captured in the Earth’s magnetic field, at altitudes between twenty and forty kilometers, where they resonate. The oscillating electric current produces a coherent electromagnetic pulse (EMP) which lasts about one millisecond. Secondary effects may last for more than a second.
            The pulse is powerful enough to cause long metal objects (such as cables) to act as antennas and generate high voltages when the pulse passes. These voltages, and the associated high currents, can destroy unshielded electronics and even many wires. There are no known biological effects of EMP. The ionized air also disrupts radio traffic that would normally bounce off the ionosphere.
            One can shield electronics by wrapping them completely in conductive mesh, or any other form of Faraday cage. Of course radios cannot operate when shielded, because broadcast radio waves cannot reach them.]

            and it doesnt have to go boom it can fizzle and still have the side effects.(explanation below)

            [A fizzle occurs if the nuclear chain reaction is not sustained long enough to cause an explosion, or if the explosion is of much less energy than expected. This can happen if, for example, the yield of the fissile material used is too low, the compression explosives around fissile material misfire or the neutron initiator fails.]

  • the_professor

    Great write-up, SonyaLynn!

    I have to apologize if this has been noted or asked or proven before, but do we know if Widmore perhaps OWNS Oceanic Airlines through his multi-national conglomerate of whatever? If so, is it a “front” for something else?

    • Thanks very much, professor!

      I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Widmore were either the owner of,on the board of, or a large-scale stockholder in Oceanic. The other big possibility there is that Alpert and the Others had a hand in Oceanic.

      • I think Widmore’s involvement in Oceanic was pretty much confirmed by his ability to have the staff inform him when Sun was using her golden ticket to get on a plane!!! “They only do what I tell them to do.”

  • Wesley Long

    Well we all know where the bomb ended up…buried under the swan. If you remember Syid said he had never seen so much concrete in one place…plus the radiation there…it all says H Bomb to me….

    • I’ve been hearing this theory a lot lately and I’m not really buying it. An H-Bomb wouldn’t be the cause of the levels of electromagnetism seen at the Swan. Remember how the very concrete you mention exerted magnetic pull on ferrous objects that passed near it?

      Likewise, it also couldn’t be a power source. That’s just not the way an H-bomb works.

      I’m betting that bomb is somewhere else on the Island.

      • DT

        First off you should do your research on this type of H-bomb they are very similiar to the way nuclear energy is made. Only when things are not controlled do they explode. Like the 108 minute release of pressure or temp. That bomb is buried in the swan. The failsafe could have been an explosion to prevent the actual atomic explosion. Desmond’s time jumping and precognition are a good indication that he closed some kind of space/time distortion when he turned the key.

        Secondly the magnetic fields could have already been there or the leaking radiation could have done something to the islands unique properties. We just don’t know how the writers will tackle this because we don’t have enough info. I think we will by the end of this season though. Radzinsky is going to make an appearance this season. I am guessing that he was the first and only Dharma person to be entering the numbers but remember it was a two man team. Radzinsky’s teamate was likely an Other that had infiltrated Dharma or possibly just the station at some time since they are always waiting on replacements. The Others are adept at assuming identities. We have seen many instances of this most recently it seems the Others were posing as the US military men they just killed in case any more arrived. The best evidence that Radzinsky’s partner was an Other is the recently revealed info that they speak Latin. There was Latin on the blast door map that Radzinsky was working on. I hope we will see this map being made this season or next.

        My wish not at all a theory is that it is time skipping Juliet in their for some reason bu tI know that is not likely.

  • DT

    The island has definitely been moved before. I believe the “incident” was when Dharma turned the wheel. They would not have known what was gonna happen so they used a polar bear, the one Charolette found in the desert. In the Swan Orientation video Dr. Chang says the station was built for electromagenetic research because of strong EM fields at that location. What if those were caused by the Others burying the Bomb there. Not to say the bomb itself is causing the EM but it and the island together could be causing weird EM at that location. He then says that since the “incident” the 108 minute protocol has been inacted. I bet that stopped the time skips but left them with an issue, some kind of rift in space/time giving off EM. The 108 minute protocol was to release that EM in small amounts. We saw that not releasing it was strong enough to pull the plane down. Maybe the failsafe was to detonate the bomb and ,this is just guessing, that sealed the rift permenatly. Which would explain why they did not just turn the failsafe to begin with, the bomb needed to leak away some of its power or the whole island may have been destroyed.

    This is hwy they introduced the H bomb.

  • The compass is going to be a problem. I think there’s a loop building.

    Follow me here:

    Locke gets the compass in 2004 from Richard. He’s told to give it back to Richard next time he sees him.

    Locke sees Richard next in 1954. He gives Richard the compass. He tells Richard that Richard gave him the compass, but Richard doesn’t seem convinced.

    In 1962 Richard visits young Locke at the foster home, lays out the objects — including the compass — and asks which one of these objects is yours already. Locke narrows it down to the compass and the knife, and takes the knife. Richard says he’s wrong, suggesting Richard thinks the compass belongs to Locke.

    (Locke is supposed to be 5 in this scene, and that could be 1961, but it’s raining and it’s California, so this could be the winter of 1962; Locke would still be 5, and that would put it 42 years before Richard gave him the compass — and there’s one of the numbers.)

    See the problem here? Locke thinks the compass is Richard’s, and Richard thinks it’s Locke’s. That’s going to have to be resolved in some way, and it suggests that Locke chose correctly at the foster home.

  • hsmom

    SonyaLynn said “That Des couldn’t remember that it was in 1996 that he’d last gone to Oxford with the events of “The Constant” comparatively fresh in his mind (only three years as opposed to eleven years previous) is more than a little unsettling after Charlotte’s memory lapse last episode. If Des has time-travel sickness as a result of Faraday’s implanted memory or as a delayed, dormant effect of the effects of all Des’ other time-jaunts, I’m gonna get mighty pissy.”

    I know at first I was quite confused about why Des did not remember the year. Then I realized it was the past (1996) Desmond whose mind came to the future (2004). It was as though the 2004 Desmond did not exist in the Constant until he started speaking to Penny. So the Desmond we know and love would never have remembered any of what happened back in 1996 because he (his mind) never went back there.

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