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Marc Oromaner’s Lost In Myth: Does “Knowing” Know Something We Don’t Know About LOST?

By Marc Oromaner,

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A bizarre airplane crash, mysterious whispers, a foreboding set of numbers, a strange group of outsiders who seem to know what’s going on, and a shiny black stone which hints at clues to a resolution. While these themes could apply to Lost, all of them are also featured in Knowing — the recent sci-fi movie with Nicholas Cage that comes out on DVD on Tuesday, July 7th.

Something I’ve long been fascinated with is how movies and TV shows with similar themes always seem to come out at the same time. While some of this can be explained by Hollywood’s copycat formula of success stories (vampires are back again thanks to Twilight and True Blood) or current fads (notice the plethora of 3-D films lately — especially in animation?), what I’m talking about goes a bit deeper. I’m referring to the tendency of certain story themes to come out in very close proximity to one another.  It’s as if there’s some kind of new information that humanity is ready to learn that’s buzzing around our collective unconscious. And writers, artists, poets, and even musicians — all being the modern-day shamans that they are — pick up on it and translate it into messages for us mere mortals to subliminally interpret.

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I first noticed this tendency back in the late 1980s. I remember thinking how odd it was that all these adult/child switcheroo movies were coming out at the same time.  There was Like Father Like Son, Vice-Versa, 18 Again, Big and a few others. It’s easy to assume that after the success of Big, Hollywood just jumped on the switcheroo bandwagon, but actually, Big came out after those other films. Looking at our superficial society in the late 80s, perhaps the message of these films was to help us get back in touch with our inner-child. (With the more recent 13 Going on 30 and 17 Again in these stressful times, perhaps it’s time for a reminder.)

Then, in the late 90s we had a ton of cities-getting-destroyed movies. There was Independence Day, Armageddon, Deep Impact, and Godzilla just to name some. Could this have been some kind of subliminal warning about 9/11? More recently we’ve had disaster films like The Day After Tomorrow, The Happening, and The Day the Earth Stood Still (remake) where nature seems to fight back against humanity.  In the wake of An Inconvenient Truth, is this some kind of wake-up call to begin taking better care of the planet? Interesting how all those movies relate to a time, i.e., a “day” or “happening.” The message seems to be that we need to get moving now or face the consequences.

Within the last couple years, superpowers movies — either with superheroes or ordinary people gaining super abilities — have been off the charts. Last summer alone, a new superpower film seemed to come out nearly every week. Is this a hint to some kind of new evolution coming for humanity? And what’s with all the time-travel themes lately? This year alone we’ve had the theme creeping into Lost and the new Star Trek movie, and there was also Land of the Lost, and of course another Terminator film. Interestingly though, the theme of the new Terminator didn’t relate to time travel as much as the question over what defines humanity. With technology becoming so advanced, that is an issue we are likely going to have to deal with in the next fifty years if not sooner.

2knowingcrashMy point in bringing all this up is to demonstrate that the similar themes and concepts of movies and TV shows are not just coincidental. There are real messages for us to pay attention to. So after watching Knowing and noting its many similarities to Lost, I began to wonder what the message was and if it could give us a hint about the conclusion of the show, or possibly even what’s to come in the real world.

Both Lost and Knowing contain apocalyptic themes. Early on in Lost, it wasn’t particularly obvious, but there were hints. Many fans noted that The HANSO Foundation was an anagram for NOAHS…as in the ark that saved life on earth. In Knowing (I need to give away some spoilers here so stop here if you don’t want ’em) there were alien crafts that captured all species of life on earth to bring them to safety (I believe this also happened in the remake of The Day the Earth Stood Still as well). Getting back to Lost, there’s also the fact that Oceanic Flight 815 might refer to Genesis 8:15, where God tells Noah to rebuild civilization after the flood.

So is the whole point of Lost about saving humanity (or a select group of humans) from the end of the world? Is that where the story 3knowing-movie-numbersis going? While I’m not sure yet if this theme will be contained within the actual story, or just within the moral of the story, the show does seem to be heading in this direction.  I spoke a bit about cataclysm theories in The Myth of Lost — especially as they relate to the numbers. What if the numbers are not just a serial number of the Swan Station but a date for the end of the world — 4/8/15 at 16:23:42? While this theory has been around for a while, in light of the events of the season five finale, and a very similar use of a sequence of numbers in Knowing, it does give it new weight. The apocalyptic undertones of season five and Knowing also shed new light on another aspect of the Lost mythology.

4skeletonsEarly in season one, we see two skeletons referred to as “Adam and Eve.” Surely, this nickname, which seemed like a joke at the time, was no accident. Will the old humanity be destroyed only to bring in a new Adam and Eve to repopulate the world (Aaron and Ji Yeon perhaps)? Is this the point of Lost, or simply another one of its hidden messages about the real world? In Knowing, the Adam and Eve theme is shown almost literally — with a tree of knowledge and everything. This is the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil — a theme Lost focuses on quite often. Who is good? Who is evil? What is right? What is wrong? If you look deeper at the Biblical good and evil mythology, it’s not really so much about morality as is commonly interpreted, but about the material world we live in: a world of right and wrong, life and death, up and down, physicality, time, and the senses. These are aspects that did not exist in the Garden of Eden until humanity ate the forbidden fruit. It’s all an allegory for the creation of the physical universe. A world where we can experience ourselves as separate beings who seemingly have the freedom of choice to live life as we want.

According to all these media messages however, this world, as we know it may be coming to an end. On the one hand that could mean that the veil between our physical/illusionary world and the infinite world beyond may be thinning. On the other, it can be a warning that our days living on this planet may be numbered. Either way, it would seem that Lost, Knowing, and similar stories are telling us that humanity may be in for drastic changes.  We will probably end up stronger when this cleansing is complete, but getting there is going to involve a lot of growing pains for many of us. And those who cannot deal with this new world may not be coming along. Already, we see how the old greedy paradigms are failing, the selfish people are falling, the cheats, liars, and assorted scoundrels are being busted, and those who represent the flashy epitome of ego are dying.

Yes, there are certainly a lot of clues out there in stories beyond Lost. But one thing that Lost has taught us is how to look for them.  In fact, I think that has been one of the more important purposes of the whole show — to teach us that the clues of the universe are all around us — not just on Lost. As we move ever closer to Lost‘s final episodes, that knowledge is reassuring indeed. The search for clues will not end with Lost. Regardless of its solution, the show has opened our eyes to a whole new beginning.

Marc Oromaner is a New York City writer whose book, The Myth of Lost offers a simple solution to Lost and uncovers its hidden insight into the mysteries of life. He can be contacted in the discussion section of The Myth of Lost Facebook page.

The Myth of Lost is available on Amazon and barnesandnoble.com.

From TVFrenzy:

  • Jack’s Sidekick

    Seriously, since Lost I’ve noticed the numbers all the time when checking the closck, movie times, etc. Dammit….

    • Benjamin

      I alllways seem to look at the clock at 1:08. It gets to be creepy sometimes haha.

    • If you would like to hone your nascent super abilities, if you have a clock radio or iPod alarm, before going to sleep at night, ask the universe (or whatever you believe in) to give you a sign with the song that wakes you up the next morning. You can even ask it a question. After awhile, you’ll get an answer (usually with a sense of humor), most of the time. Sure, the mind can make things work, but I’m telling you, the answers I’ve gotten are uncanny! It’s pretty cool.

  • Jack’s Sidekick

    Seriously, since Lost I’ve noticed the numbers all the time when checking the clock, movie times, etc. Dammit…

  • Gripp

    This is article is all well and good,but a bit pointless. Especially when you consider that this is Hollywood that we’re talking about here, and therefore we’re talking about remakes and ripoffs. I’d say there was an upsurge in superhero movies because comics are a medium chock full of material that couldn’t be realized until we hit a certain level of technological sophistication in our movie FX. That and the fact that everyone loves a good power fantasy.

    The biggest hole in this article, however, is in comparing Lost- one of the few bastions of creativity and craft to exist in popular American entertainment, and compared it to an unbelievably boring and pointlessly generic movie. Good on ya.
    How much did Knowing pay for this “meta-advertising” or whatever? Why not just take a huge dump on the heads of everyone who comes here?

    • Tivnuts

      That’s some hardcore criticism. Over the top? Maybe.

    • Andy

      Wow, what an over-the-top and ridiculous accusation. Take a breath, dude.

    • whateverhappenedhappened

      I agree. Hollywood picks up on people interests, fears and anxieties and then produces big budget, throwaway films to play on these.
      There was not a subliminal warning about 9/11 in the disaster movies of the 90’s, because none of us knew that such a tragedy would occur in 2001. The chances are these films were made because many people feared eminent attack. Hollywood saw that this was a chance to make a profit by messing about with the way society feels.
      After 9/11, we all saw film and TV change for good. No way could Hollywood get away with making films in which buildings fell down and cities were destroyed because it was (and still is) such a sensitive issue. In fact, LOST was probably one of the first times people saw a plane crash in a new TV show. Since then, I think JJ Abrams has had a huge part to play in restoring the norm in film and TV.
      So now, disaster films about NATURE are mass produced – because most people have such a strong fear of global warmings effect.
      As for super hero movies: since 9/11, people need a good old American hero. Remember the first Spiderman Movie? That began this onslaught of comic book adaptations in 2002 (after being re made post 9/11)
      The fact of the matter is this: people love to see their worst fears acted out in front of them in a dark room where nothing will actually hurt them.

      • grasspike

        What about Cloverfield made by the same Bad Robot team that brings us Lost. It had lots of destroyed buildings in New York City as well.

        • JimmyJon

          Damon and Carlton didn’t have anything to do with Cloverfield, Bad Robot is just a company.

          • grasspike

            Bad Robot is the production company owned and run by J. J. Abrams. J.J. is a co-creator, writer, executive producer, and director for Lost.

            To say that the Bad Robot team does not bring is us Lost is totally incorrect

          • ilovecress

            Except Cloverfield was written by one of the Lost writers, and produced by JJ Abrams.

        • whateverhappenedhappened

          Hence me saying that JJ Abrams has had a huge impact on restoring Cinema and TV to how it was pre 9/11.

          • michael

            ..didnt you say that post 9/11, for film etc, things changed for good & that you couldnt show buildings falling down etc……but…cloverfield…was intentionally designed, shot, scripted etc so as to play on post-9/11 fears. I havent really thought about it before, but…surely Abrams is fundamentally post-9/11 rather than pre-9/11?

          • whateverhappenedhappened

            I suppose it depends on which way you look at it. In many ways, yes, you are very right: Cloverfield is extremely post-9/11 (probably in more ways than it isn’t). But what I was getting at was that pre-9/11 cinema was much more free to show cities being destroyed (independence day, godzilla) and now that is quite a rough terrain. Yes, it has been done in Cloverfield and other recent films, but it is un-debatable that since 9/11 this kind of film has decreased and, fundamentally, changed.

      • I agree that super hero movies come out to comfort us in stressful times. However, I also believe that writers are modern-day shaman that pick up on events that have yet to “happen.” I use that term coming from our perspective because I believe that time is an illusion that there is actually only one moment. It’s kinda like a CD-ROM video game. From the perspective of the character, there are events happening in time. But we know it’s all been coded and can take out the disc and hold the characters whole story in our hand at one moment. I believe our world works similarly. I’m in the multiverse camp where there are an infinite number of universes and we simply pop into the ones where our thoughts are taking us.

        • whateverhappenedhappened

          Each to their own.

          • Dolce

            Spiderman was actually already done most of the filming when the events of 9/11 occured. In fact they had to remove a scene that included the WTC. However, the timing of it’s release could not have come at a better time, because, yes, super hero movies do comfort us in times of stress. Certainly the wild success of the film and the new post-9/11 world led to the avalanche of films in that genre that continue to be successful to this day.

    • Mack

      Damn brotha, you said everything I would have.

    • I agree that “Knowing” was a pretty generic sci-fi movie and also pretty predictable. Still, I think it’s worth watching. While i wish I could get paid every time I plug some movie and TV show, alas, I am not on the payroll. I mentioned the DVD simply to make the article relevent (since the movie came out months ago), and to let people know it was not available if they were open to watching a lousy sci-fi movie with some mythology similar to LOST’s. Sure, it’s not done as well, but it’s better than nothing in the off-season.

      As far as super hero movies coming out more now because of special effects, I’d say that this is making them better, but super hero movies come and go. Usually, as another poster commented, during or after a war or terror to give us hope. However, what’s different now is all the movies about ordinary people with super abilities. There have been no less than 20 in the last year alone.

  • I only planned on watching this film because it was shot on a RED, but now after you mentioned aliens, Marc… 😉

    Should Lost be about saving a selected group of people, then we know now what Lapidus is a candidate for…
    Which would mean that the ‘Others’ plus Bram and mysterious chechen-war-veteran Ilana are folks that always knew that judgement day was coming.
    Fascinating.

    Regarding TT and Star Trek, it is interesting to see that Alex and Bob went another way there, with the creation of a new timeline via Neros incursion in the old one.

    • Mack

      Dude, the movie is terrible. I paid to see it and I have regretted my decision ever since.

  • You know I could probably write a pretty convincing article comparing LOST to “The Cat in the Hat,” but I’m not going to. Why? Because that would be pointless.

    • Nearly all Dr. Seuss stories were parables aimed at teaching a complicated lesson in a way children could understand. Kind of how LOST explains complicated spiritual and religious concepts by using an island as a microcosm of the world we live in, and its inhabitants as archetypes of all of us. There, I saved you some time. The moral of the story is nothing is pointless. Even your belief that something is pointless has a point. Your screen name, Wintermute–winter is a time of death, mute is silence. Your avatar is the angel of death or ghost of X-Mas Future (mute) or iconic representations of them. If you haven’t already seen “Harold and Maude,” check it out. I think you’ll enjoy it:

      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067185/

    • Benmanben

      Can you not see the burning similarities!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      Honestly, a plane crash, numbers predicting the end of the world, and mysterious whispers a definitly done purposfully!

  • Adam

    So Nicholas Cage will be in the 6th and final season of Lost?

  • Benjamin

    How bout we try and not be so critical? Its nothing more than an interesting theory that may or may not come into play.

    Whether you enjoyed “Knowing” or not you can’t deny the points Oromaner makes. Very interesting insight.

    • Mack

      The reason to post a theory is to get feedback. You have to kind of expect to get a range of opinions so just accept that some of them are going to disagree with your own or that of the writers.

    • JimmyJon

      Yeah, but the Knowing sucked and Lost doesn’t. There are similarities, but at this point the stuff that happened in that film are not that unique if you watch Lost or read a Stephen King novel.

  • grasspike

    The human brain is wired to look for patterns that may or may not be there. That is why for example you can play Pink Floyd’s “Darkside of the Moon along with “The Wizard of Oz” or Pink Floyd’s “The Wall” along with the disney “Alice in Wonderland” cartoon, or Aerosmith’s “Toys in the Attic” along with “Toy Story” our brains will notice things that fit together even when they were not supposed to.

    I get the same feeling with the Lost rewatch, that I notice things from season 1 that seem to make more sense now that I have seen all 5 seasons so far. For example maybe the watch Michael found was just a watch and had nothing to do with foreshadowing time travel, then again maybe it does?

    I think we all need to be careful of trying to fit certain things into some pattern with Lost. Ten months from now when the show is done we will all be surprised at some things we missed, and other things we thought for sure would fit but don’t

    • Andy

      Actually, the Floyd/Oz connection was deliberate.

  • BenLinus

    The movie isn’t that great, but if you watch the BluRay on a big screen with surround sound, it’s more than enjoyable, particularly, the last scene, when the exploding atmospher engulfs the whole america, that’s some pretty cool effects…

  • michael

    The Knowing is – literally and absoloutely – an apocalyptic fantasy, pitched squarely at the bible belt: it is completely and unabashedly christian in its themes, motifs etc – in way which was actually fairly over the top. Now, i don’t have a problem with this in any way, i just think that it certainaly limits its possible relevance to lost….which i think does deal with themes of faith etc commonly approached with a shed-load of christian imagery, but in such a way as to directly avoid being “tarred with the same brush”. Also, i think that in the plot thusfar, it is clear that there is some sort of end-of-the-world scenario in play & gradually being revealed…..but the way in which The Knowing dealt with this was (sorry, SPOILERS) to have angel-like aliens swoop from the heavens and take the innocent children (RRRRRRR-AUPTURE!) away to a garden-like world of grassy plains and highly symbolic silvery trees, whilst earth got extra well-done just as the guy from Con Air rediscovered his christian faith, thanks to the love and support of his formerly estranged evangelical parents. Again – not an anti-christian rant, i’m a christain myself. However, suffice to say, id be displeased if LOST ended in such a way: crushed beneath a fist of purest ham.

    • Mack

      It may be christian but it completely disregards all christian theology by stating that in the end all bible myth is the product of Alien intervention and not a metaphysical being.

      • michael

        yes and no..it didnt actually say that the aliens werent angels or so forth. personally i think they were just trying to maintain just enough separation from the notion of the rapture that someone not looking for it or possibly just not very observant would feel comfortable watching.

        …anyway, i hope to god that LOST tries to avoid angels OR aliens lol.

        • Mack

          I see your point and I appreciate your perspective. I totally agree with the no angels or aliens. The lost writers are pretty smart and I am sure they will come up with something pretty unique and jaw dropping amazing ending. Man, waiting for Lost to return is killer.

  • Damon and Carlton refer to the zombie season quite often, it reminded me of Robert A. Heinleins story ‘—All You Zombies—’ from 1958, which has it all. Time travel and fertility paradoxes…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_You_Zombies—

  • Ament

    Hollywood creativity is in short supply, we all know that and can see it with remakes of remakes…how many part 3 and 4’s are coming out next summer. “The Simpsons” great show but lets face it “The Flintstones” came out years before, which funnily enough was an animated prehistoric version of “The Honeymooners”.

    Let’s just say “Knowing” got some ideas from “Lost” are we saying nothing impacted the thought behind “Lost”? Anyone see “Castaway”?….plane crash….making use of salvage….building a raft…..emotional connection to the island. All you needed was the fire making scene in “Lost” and “Castaway” can be a “Lost” recap episode for season 1. “Lost” adapted and became unique, thats why it will be my favorite.

    • Ament

      WILSON!!!
      WALT!!!

  • johr77

    I watched this movie a few weeks ago,
    I enjoyed it.
    I did notice some similarity’s to lost
    but i think they were more just similarity’s to SiFi.

    enjoyed the article.

  • nawawala

    Thanks for the article, Marc. As usual, it was awesome and offered a different perspective on Lost. Regarding the similarities in movie themes, I remember it was 1999 when the movies “The Sixth Sense” and “The Others” both came out which coincided with the public having a higher knowledge and understanding of paranormal. I’m not sure if the theme of these movies became a result or the cause of this evolved consciousness, but I thought its worth sharing.

  • Jack Daniels

    Perhaps the 9/11 terrorists had watched movies such as Armageddon, Godzilla etc. and decided that since Hollywood were obsessed with creating films that depicted major American cities being levelled they would use that as a basis for their attacks.

    PLEASE NOTE: This is not not an anti-American sentiment, as I don’t have any, and even if I did I would not use a LOST blog to air them, I’m simply pointing out that nobody seems to have thought about it this way.

  • Benmanben

    30 ROCK

    I first noticed it when they kept mentioning the movie “Some Like it Hot” about a week after the episode of LOST “Some like it Hoth” aired. Then I was really suspicious of the missing runaway father story. The Kidney story just solidified it all…

    Are they trying to give us clues through other shows????????

  • Chillkorn pichayawut

    KNOWING 2012

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