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Rate And Rant! LOST 5.11 Whatever Happened, Happened

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An episode with a lot of answers, therefore – as is usually the case – probably a very divided audience.  Am I right?  Let’s find out.  Rate and reflect on LOST 5.11, “Whatever Happened, Happened.”

As usual, for all of the finite details, check the extraordinary clueless1der’s live blog post in the forum!  A great place to converse about the episode as well.

Ben Linus becomes evil because of a magical experience in the temple?  Too ‘easy’ for you?  Maybe we should all consider the semantics.  Losing innocence does not mean becoming evil, in fact the usage of ‘innocence’ here could be in the most rudimentary biblical sense: whatever experience awaits Ben within smokey’s island condo will open the young lads eyes to what separates good and evil – leading to a more fateful choice later on.

Kate ditched Aaron?  Did it play out with the emotional force intended, or were you expecting a bit more for the wait? I definitely do not get the connection between cleansing your soul and sudden angry sex – does anybody understand this enigmatic creature known as the human female?

Hurley takes on the role of the fans, and Miles takes on the role of the smarter fans.  Their banter was an amusing wink, or was two sessions of excerpts from The Fuselage and ImFromThePast’s awesome time travel lessons right here more than enough?

Elle? Charles?  What up?  If Faraday was aware that that mum and pops (?) were on the island, did he pay them a visit? More analysis, easter eggs, theories, and more coming up.  In the meantime, tell us how you felt.

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From TVFrenzy:

  • KnoBrainer

    Hey everybody!
    I’ve got a lost theory so good it could be a spoiler. I think Alpert taking YB to the temple to be healed will have long-term side effects.

    To save Ben’s life’s they will have to to make a sacrifice to the gods (Egyptian Gods) of the island. Up to now everyone has assumed that the island would heal Ben or bring him back to life like it did with Locke but that’s not the case.
    Alpert taking Ben to the temple and appealing to the gods (or using his own godly power) is what begins the island’s power to heal and raise the dead and THAT (drumroll please) is why there can be no more babies born on the island.
    The power that heals cancer and raises the dead (the smoke monster?) will not allow new life to be born on the island. Alpert knows this but since, as he says, Ben will forget about his trip to the temple, he never tells him about that catch, which is why Alpert dosen’t care about all the fertility stuff that Ben does.
    I also think that Ben is obsessed with the baby problem because Annnie and his child will die, or did die or, well..
    YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.
    Let me know what you think

    • Dolce

      slow down

      • elijahmoon

        LMAO. seriously!

        • neoloki

          I have absolutely no idea what you mean.I would look for more psychological and/or biological explanations and let the gods be.

  • Matthew Perry

    I think the important thing we got out of this episode was that Richard was alone with a small boy in a dark room, doing something that would make him lose his innocence.

    Hmmmmm.

    • imfromthepast

      LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!

      That was so funny I don’t feel like gloating now!

    • clueless1der

      omg. HAHAHA.

    • chris

      well played, sir.

    • cpjon446

      That image will be hard to shake…

      Chris in Fort Worth

    • lockeheart

      LoL.
      I think that what is greatly important though is that richard didnt care what widmore and ellie had to say about his decision to heal yb. Is there some type of differences between the others? What are they? How did richard end up winning? I have a feeling we might be finding out sooner rather than later.

      • Ed Holden

        It’s the same thing in 2004. Richard practically recruits Locke to replace Ben, going behind Ben’s back by giving Locke the file on Sawyer. After the mercenaries arrive, Richard seems to rescue Ben mainly as a favor, not because he’s obliged to.

    • Michel

      LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL….

      This guy must REALLY be Matthew Perry.

  • imfromthepast

    So, the Others are a cult of Smokey Zombies like the Frenchies? And the answer to Hurley’s smug little question is that Ben doesn’t remember because of whatever Richard does to him in, lolol!
    I’m still laughing at the Matthew Perry!

    • Dolce

      Repressed memories from a childhood trauma. Too funny.

  • vladimac

    i have a theory on predestination… anyone with knowledge of basic atomics knows that everything that happens is simply a transfer of energy… if we believe in the big bang then that initial burst of energy started a massive chain reaction of atomic collisions which cause everything to happen, from the creation of stars and planets, to every thought we have (remember, brain activity is neurons firing and atoms interacting).. so our next choices, are really just the atoms in our brain, colliding and interacting as any mathematical model could predict. its just that there are so many atomic interactions that even all the computers in the world couldnt predict it.. so we think that since we cant predict what happens next, it cant be predicted… when really its like breaking in billiards. the balls are gonna go where they go, no matter what we want them to do… just as atoms interact with each other. god (or who/whatever) started the chain reaction, and everything will happen as it can only happen…. its simplistic…. but as an engineer it makes sense to me 🙂

    • imfromthepast

      as an engineer have you ever heard of the Uncertainty Principle?

      • vladimac

        i have, and it further proves my point… that as observers we can only be uncertain, but that does not effect the path or energy of atomic matter… it’s like slamming on the brakes on ice… it seems like the car swerving and sliding are a random sequence of events, but if we were able to go back in time to watch this happen (from afar, assuming we don’t significantly effect the event) it would happen exactly the same, every time.

        • imfromthepast

          no. The Uncertainty Principle reveals that it is impossible to know both the velocity and position of a particle. Therefore your entire premise is flawed, based as it is on Classic Physics.

          • vladimac

            from wikipedia:

            The uncertainty principle is often explained as the statement that the measurement of position necessarily disturbs a particle’s momentum, and vice versa—i.e., that the uncertainty principle is a manifestation of the observer effect.

            if the particle is not observed, it is not disturbed, therefore it will act as it always would have would have acted, with no source of energy to change its course.

          • vladimac

            it is naive for us to believe that we have to KNOW the state of a body, for that state to occur… if a tree falls in the woods, does it make a sound? of course it does, even though both of us hear might not it. the tree reacted to the ground as it should, with a bang…. but say you were there to observe it happening, perhaps by standing under it… it would change, making a boom-splat. however, you were always going to be under that tree and nothing you choose can change that. you were a pool ball on god’s snooker table, and he’s got a heck of a pool cue.

          • vladimac

            basically… i agree that we can never be certain about something (that is, know its states)…. but explain to me why we have to certain of a state, for that state to occur? the uncertainty principle doesn’t disprove my point… rather, it is the RESULT of my point.

          • horselover

            I believe imfromthepast is right. From everything I’ve read, it’s not just that we cannot know where a particle is and its speed, but it literally is non-deterministic. A chain of causes doesn’t really exist at the quantum level, it’s random.

        • RandomZombie

          Darn it, imfromthepast!
          I was reading that entire entry just waiting to counter with the uncertainty principle! Then I read your replyl!

          Anyway, vladimac, the uncertainty principle dictates that things wouldn’t necessarily happen exactly the same every time. The likelihood of specific events occurring would remain the same, but the actual events would not necessarily remain the same.

          Personally, I don’t adhere to determinism. I think that the development of sentient life threw a wrench into the deterministic machine.

          • imfromthepast

            you have to be fast to beat me in handing out harsh criticisim

          • vladimac

            personally i dont like the idea either… but it just makes sense… and imfromthepast, harsh criticism doesn’t make it accurate 😉

          • vladimac

            p.s. the observer effect is just the original chain reaction causing the observer to interact with that with which it is observing, disturbing it as it always would have… fulfilling the prophecy, so to speak

    • imfromthepast

      I am replying to your nested comments here because the reply button wont work.
      I agree with you on a certain level, but you will find thzt quantum physicists do not. they will tell you that a particle does not have a position or velocity until it is observed.
      some go so far as to say that if no one is looking at the moon it isn’t there, so you gotta wonder.
      BTW, I’m glad you’re such a good sport. Shows strength of character.

      • docarzt

        Yeah, a lot of the stranger observations come from the fight between Einstein and his zealots and the quantum realm back in the day. They would take quantum mechanics concepts and create scenarios where the principles sounded too bizarre to be real. Years later, they actually become part of the quantum vernacular. Can’t think of the particular one now, but I think it was RPE paradox. Anywho, just saying a lot of those things, even the cat thing, are metaphors for the concepts and not the concepts themselves.

        • imfromthepast

          exactly, a case of applying principles that work in the ultra-microscopic world of quantum physics and applying it to the macroscopic world.

          Just because an electron can make use of quantum tunneling doesn’t mean I can.

      • ebonX

        All of this discussion will be moot in ~300yrs, by which time the Heisenberg Compensator will be invented … I heard it works very well! 😉

        • Ed Holden

          Better than the inertial dampener, judging by how well people manage to stay in their chairs in ~300yrs.

      • vladimac

        no problem IFTP… nothing better to me than a good ol’ quantum showdown 🙂 love your articles, btw.

        i see your point… i guess i just think that humans think too highly of themselves sometimes… my theory IS a little simplistic (you’ll notice i related atomic physics to snooker balls), but it could basically explain the deterministic chain of events that is the universe, relating to the plan of a Higher Power.

        personally i think that all theories of religion are firmly based in science that we don’t understand yet… i think souls are a form of energy that come together after separating from our physical realm to create a “hell” and “heaven” depending on the energy levels of those souls… i think there are beings that can interact with our world in more amazing ways that we can imagine (healing the sick, walking on water) and i DEFINITELY think that this is much too cerebral a conversation for even Darlton to consider putting in our fav show 🙂

        Thanks for the input i’ve been working on this theory in my head for a while… i guess to expand (or debunk) it i’ll have to give einstein and bohr a holler… anyone got a fdw that needs turnin?

  • Pat

    the only important part of this episode was the ending, kate’s flashback was predictable and not worth the wait

    • Uncle Beaver

      I wasn’t too excited to see a Kate flashback, but when Aaron was lost in the store, I got worried for a second. Oh, and by the way… didn’t that lady who was holding Aaron’s hand look like an older version of CLAIRE? I WAS surprised that Kate gave Aaron to Carole Littleton, rather than Cassidy.

      BOY, Jack has CHANGED! I’m glad… I like the direction his character has gone.

      I can’t wait to find out what kind of animosity Richard Alpert has towards Ellie and Charles. I hope the writers don’t get CHEESY and make Faraday their son. And how does Alpert go from saving Ben, to later FOLLOWING him (when Ben becomes leader)? Must have something to do with Ellie and Charles…

      • Dolce

        Jack will return to his old ways- count on it. He will put Sawyer back in his place. And furthermore, the other losties will look to him to take up that role again.imo at least. We shall see…

        • lockeheart

          I have to agree, i absolutly love the new jack. When he told juliet he was at the island for… a purpose, i pumped my fist and yelled, Looooooccckkkeee! Hell it only took jack 4 and half seasons and about 4 years total to believe it but he finally has faith in the island.

        • Lionessak

          Has any of you ever thought about Jack being the “real” leader or “the chosen one” instead of Locke??
          If we go back to The Pilot (1st Lost Episode), he is the first character to appear.
          He doesn’t appear to be hurt even though he fell from the sky.
          He’s the first one to see Christian, but decides not to believe.
          He acts as a leader since the beginning, “Jack Shephard’s name could be a reflection of his position among the Losties. A shepherd is someone who guides and leads a flock, in the same way that Jack has become the leader of the Losties.”
          He has a tattoo that means:”He walks amongst us but he is not one of us.”
          For some reason Locke believed that if Jack went back to the island, the rest would follow.
          We have seen in previous episodes how Locke has told Jack something along the lines of “you will believe, you just don’t know it yet”
          We can also see that Ms. Hawking took special interest in Jack when she was explaining how to go back to the island. He was the ONLY ONE she spoke to alone. She sees Jack has a special relationship to the island.
          On the last episode, we see how Jack’s changing his ways,and he’s more in touch with his spiritual side. He says he came back because he was “supposed to” even though he doesn’t know why yet.

          Well….this is just a thought… 😉

          • Iwantmykidneyback

            I think that Jack does have purpose for being on the island, but I think it’s a mistake to automatically assume that his purpose is to be the leader of the others. Hey, we’ve got Jacob, Christian, Richard, Ben, Charles, and even smokey. There’s more than enough room to go around.

          • Kate

            After seeing Jack say “no” to helping Ben, and thus Ben becoming the man he is today (ie “Evil” Ben) that perhaps Jack was SUPPOSED to perform surgery on Baby Ben to prevent that event (the Temple goings-on, whatever they may be) from happening. So, IMO, Jack dropped the ball last night

        • Michel

          No matter how badly Jack screwed it up when failing to fix little Ben “the good way”, I still like the new Jack.

          “When we were here before I spent all of my time trying to fix things. But did you ever think that the Island wants to fix things itself? That maybe I was just… getting in the way.”

          Heavy.

          • Dolce

            yeah, definitly heavy, but I still think he’ll be drawn to step up again.

      • Hipster Doofus

        Why would him being their son be “CHEESY”? We know he’s Ellie’s son. We also know that Widmore bankrolled all of his studies. Seems logical to me, and not cheesy at all.

        • Lionessak

          I totally agree with you. As a matter of fact, I think Faraday can very well be Ellie’s and Widmore’s son. They’re both on the island at the same time, and Widmore was funding Faraday’s studies….so, it seems very logical to me too.

          • Jack Daniels

            I agree aswell, although I think that they’re probably going down the path of Widmore and Hawking being brother and sister, not a former couple. My guess would be that Ellie was born Eloise Widmore, got married to Daniel’s father, became Eloise Faraday, got divorced, remarried and became Eloise Hawking. I’m in that group that believe when young Widmore told Ellie to “Shut-up” in Jughead, it was more like a brother-sister exchange rather than two young lovers.

            Side note: I know it’s going back somewhat now, but I just noticed this after re-watching Jughead the other day. The actress who plays the woman (who has a British accent) that is trying to find Daniel Faraday in the Oxford Univeristy database for Desmond, is the same actress who plays the Oceanic flight attendant in the Season 1 finale who tells Locke that they’ve misplaced the thingy they use to board disabled passengers and who Hurley also hugs. This woman has a New Zealand accent, but I wonder if it’s supposed to be the same person.

        • ReubenJay

          How is Widmore on the Island in 1977? How did he manage to build a wealthy empire after leaving the Island in a short amount of time? How did Ben trick him into leaving the island via the wheel?

  • august

    I thought the episode was a bit meh, but i am very biased against Kate. the ending, however, was one of the best.

    • YES! Locke’s line to Ben, “Hello, Ben. Welcome to the land of the living,” and Ben’s look…priceless. Quite possibly the best line since Desmond & Penny’s simultaneous “I love you” to end their phone call in “The Constant.”

      BWAAAAHahahhahahHAHAHAHAHahahaaaaa…*ahem*

    • neoloki

      For an episode that people are saying didn’t have many important parts, was predictable or just generally a rehash, it has generated a lot of talk in the lost community.

      I like many was not too excited about a Kate episode, but was pleasantly surprised at the quality of the show. Very important information was brought to the surface: time travel, Jacks new approach, Ben’s fateful change, even the love quad and it was all well written. It could have easily become tedious especially concerning Aaron and Kate but the psychological nuances written into the script very much added to the character mythology of the show.

  • RandomZombie

    For a Kate-centered episode, I was pleasantly surprised. I was hoping for more with Richard and Ben, but it was pretty darn good.
    I was glad to see more of Roger. He’s a jerk, but, in this episode at least, a likable jerk.
    They showed that he does care about Ben, which is good – he’s just a bit disturbed.

    • Uncle Beaver

      Just like EVERY character on this show, there is no definite good or bad. The bad people have good qualities, and the good people have bad.

      • elijahmoon

        agreed

  • Beena

    Maybe “going into the temple” is like Adam and Eve eating the apple from the Tree of Knowledge…they lost their innocence and purity, but their eyes were then opened to the world around them in a different way.

    Hmmmm…wouldn’t that make Richard or Smokie like the serpent in the Garden of Eden?

    • Dolce

      sounded like ben was about to meet some kind of serpent.

      • Dolce

        sorry that was in bad taste, but I couldn’t resist given the dialogue.

        • jimmy zer0

          After the door shut on the temple, Richard lit a torch, revealing a barechested Christian Shepard who was in the process of oiling up Jacob. Of course Ben would want to forget the events that followed.

          • nick21989

            Oh man you guys, too funny!

          • spinflip

            The Aristocrats! 😎

          • neoloki

            Wow, I mean I am not weighed down by righteous morality but this is verging on stepping over a boundary for a Lost message board.

          • Dolce

            Spinflip: funny!
            Neoloki: don’t be so sensitive, it wasn’t that bad.

  • RandomZombie

    Also, I’m really liking Jim right now. I love the direction Sawyer’s character has taken.

    • elijahmoon

      I thought it was a great episode. I found Kates goodbye to Aaron to be heartfelt and well acted. I never got uncomfortable w/ the scene and could empathize w/ her position. [even tho Im not a kate fan] Also it was pleasant to find out that she had a REAL reason to come back to the island and not some goofy “Im coming back for the Doc” reason. As jack so eloquently stated, “you never liked the old me” I LOVE the new way Jack is handling his life. Screw being a dog on an emo leash for these b****** I like that hes living his life for more than physical reasons. Hes in touch w/ some part of his spiritual side as is evidenced by his comment, “I came back because I was supposed to” He dosent know why or what yet but at least he has a sense of destiny and purpose and an acknowledgement of a higher power. Which for him I guess is the island. Thats ok. We all have to start somewhere. Ive heard of a toaster being someones higher power. lol.

      OH YEAH! AND ONE MORE THING!
      I LOVE the way they POUNDED our ears w/ Ben’s a boy this and bens a boy that. Last week I mentioned being disturbed by seeing a boy shot and was told ben wasnt a boy that he was 14 or 15 here:
      …………………………………………………………………
      Keep Kate says:
      March 26, 2009 at 8:48 amBen’s not 10 in this episode–he’s 14, which is only slightly younger than Alex was.

      Mirko says:
      March 26, 2009 at 6:08 amBen is 14-15 when he gets shot. That makes only 1.5 years age difference to Alex. Ok, doesn’t look like that because of the actual difference in age of the actors, which obviously is bigger.
      Sterling Beaumon is going to become 14 in a few months. Tania Raymonde is 23.

      Besides, Alex literally bleeded to death from a shot in her head. That was a lot more brutal than what (I expect) is going to happen to little Ben.
      …………………………………………………………………
      Wrong friends!
      tonight’s episode they called ben a boy about a bazillion times and I went backed and watched 5:10 and found this: [quoted verbatim form sayid w/time markers]

      A 12 year old ben linus brought me a chicken salad sandwich. How do you think Im doing?

      11:39-11:45

      Bens a boy and not a 15 year old whatever. Check and mate.

      • elijahmoon

        spell check dosent proofread I guess 🙂 *back [not backed] 🙂

        • cpjon446

          dosent? ; )

          • elijahmoon

            did you mean “doesn’t”? 😉

      • imfromthepast

        I hate to get technical, but that is only a check, not a mate. a mate implies the total defeat of the opposition, while a check only puts their premise in danger, which is all you have done. Sayid is not qualified to visually ascertain the exact age of young boys, unless there is a rather disturbing Szyid flashbach in store for us.
        A mate would have been Ben’s birth certificate on screen, or Roger giving his birth.

        • elijahmoon

          lol no grudge just want my friends to be well informed. 🙂 imfromthepast anytime you want sit down at the board be my guest. At chess.com ask for pWn0rD13 someone can point you towrds me 🙂 As for checking and mating I believe I have enough pieces for a mate so my opponent should just resign [just as good as mate=victory] so technically I was speaking of a a win..since were getting technical. 🙂 See ya on the board?

          • imfromthepast

            lol! I suck at chess, if i can’t beat them with Fool’s Mate, I loose interest and just try to win through attrition, so I’ll pass.

      • Dolce

        Wow, hold a grudge much? Lol.

      • Dolce

        What is you’re point here? I have a 17 year old son who is 6’2″ tall. He is still a boy.

        • elijahmoon

          dolce, is it? I dont have the time nor the patience to describe all the intricacies of this post. [although I appreciate your interest] My point has been made to those to whom it was intended. If youd care to discuss some other portion of my post Id love to expound. If not well then, I guess we’re done here arent we? ta’.

          • Jack Daniels

            In Australia, mate means buddy. Yeah!

          • Dolce

            Yes,it is Dolce, and 1. I was kinda backing you up. If you notice, I pointed out that my gigantic son is 17 and still a boy. This is older than 14. But still a boy.
            2. Why so dismissive? Sounds a little snippy.
            and c. You do not have to be condescending. I’m happy for you that you got your personal victory, But I think you could lose the “in your face!” atttitude. Simmer down.

        • professorstotch

          I’m 23, and I’m still a boy. 😛

          • Herkybird

            Acting my shoe size since 1994…size 15…what can I say I was a big kid..and my gf still gives me a hard time for acting like a boy/child/whatever and I am 27. This just seems very stupid to argue about semantics. The character is being portrayed as a kid. No matter what age he is he is still a kid, he is not balding, with a family and a minivan. I’ll bet if Roger had to pay taxes he would claim Ben as a dependant.

  • Eh

    I thought the episode was good. Just confirmation of what we all assumed. I’m really looking forward to next week’s episode.

    One thing I didn’t catch was what the “Other” said to Richard while he was carrying Ben to the temple. “Shouldn’t we check with ______ first?”

    • elijahmoon

      ellie and charles

  • Ahleemah

    Ellie and Charles are brother and sister, not parents of Faraday, imo.

    • imfromthepast

      agreed

    • docarzt

      That’s more like it. 😉

    • Dolce

      hmmm

    • ebonX

      I really like this idea as it fits in well with Egyptian mythology … Osiris (Charles), his sister Isis (Ellie), and Ra (Alpert)

      • illegibleg

        “When Osiris was grown up he married his sister Isis, a custom which the Pharaohs of Egypt followed ever after.”
        –http://www.egyptianmyths.net/mythisis.htm

    • O6LostFan

      Hmmmmmm……..Interesting….

  • Seabiscuit

    Random observation: “Left Behind” was on SciFi this afternoon(the epi where Kate first meets Cassidy), and there’s a scene where Kate tells her mother she killed Wayne to protect her, whereupon Diane retorts that Kate did it for herself. In WHH, Juliet and Jack have a similar scene where he says he came back to rescue everyone, and Juliet echoes Diane’s sentiment when she says “You came back for yourself”. Curious.

    Anyway, thoroughly enjoyed this epi, both as a Kate fan and as a shipper. I’m very proud of Kate for reuniting Aaron with his grandma and going back for Claire. Sawyer calling Kate “Freckles” again and their talk by the stream were just plain beautiful. And as much as I was cheering Juliet for ripping Jack a new one, I was inwardly rooting for them to kiss. XD

    And Locke’s expression just before it went BOOM! “LOST” made me piss myself. Scaaaary Lockeface! O_O Next week’s ep looks most promising.

    • imfromthepast

      You and Ben both!

      • Seabiscuit

        Yep.

    • elijahmoon

      that ending and Lockes face was AWESOME!

  • docarzt

    I’ll be going more in-depth tomorrow, but I’ll give you my basic impression now: too much hyped up overly dramatic dialogue used to explain in human terms what should have been actions and events that were tethered to the mythological aspects of the LOST story. Kate just gave Aaron away… really? And we waited all this time for that answer, why? .. more tomorrow am.

    • cap10tripps

      I think the mythological aspect is Kate proclaiming her reason for returning to the island (finding Claire). There is an answer to the mythos somewhere in where Claire really is. Is she in an etheral state along with Grandpa Christian, or perhaps they live on this island as Locke does because of a reason beyond our logic. Does she want to find Claire to bring her back to Aaron somehow? Idk, but I believe those sorts of questions are why we waited for that moment…

    • Oh…I think it does tie in with the mythology. There have to be hooks to drag the rest of the off-Island world into things in S.6, and Aaron’s probably one of ’em. Ditto Walt. Folks are going to start telling the truth about the Oceanic 6.

      But, that said, Evie Lilly turned what might have been better dialogue if better-delivered into soap-opera tripe and dragged Josh Holloway and Elizabeth Mitchell back to their soap roots with her. Bloody ferret.

      It was all the NON-Kate moments that made this episode really badass. Miles & Hurley, Sawyer & Richard, Jack finally doing something interesting by saying “no” to Kate and to fixing something. Still bogged down by Matt Fox’s delivery, but whaddayagonnado?

      And like I said in another comment, the Locke/Ben scene at the end was pure 24K gold. Awwwwww, yeah.

      • cpjon446

        Man you guys are harsh on Kate…I’m no huge fan, but I have to give her big props for this episode. I think the writers and actors should both be pleased with taking what could have been a non-effective purely plot furthering sequence of events with Kate’s backstory for returning to the island and delivered a an emotional wallop of heartfelt decisions and a thoroughly believable performance from Lilly as she wrestled with the true motivations for her decision to raise Aaron herself and consequently making her first real self-less decision to return Aaron to his family and seek to atone for many of the poor choices she has made. Bravo I say. Further, it even lends some balance to the uneveness of her recent behaviours, i.e. mysteriously telling Jack to never ask about Aaron again, as if abducted by agents of evil or something. No, it was the simple, yet endlessly complex, result of Kate’s growth (hinted at by Sawyer’s off hand remark about his own recent arrival at maturity and self-lessness).

        Excellent episode, I thought it helped re-eastablish some character balance to the story by saving the mythological elements for the final scenes and honing in on our character’s evolving relationships with each other, the island and especially, themselves.

        Hurley and Miles banter was typically humorous but also served as more ‘time-travel for dummies’ type exposition.

        Good stuff…

        Chris in Fort Worth

        • RandomZombie

          First of all, that was an impressive and epic run-on sentence!

          I can’t speak for anyone else, but my problem with Kate has nothing to do with the portrayal or the writing. It’s in the character itself.
          She’s selfish, manipulative, and pretty much a kidnapper.
          She always makes trouble and sticks her nose in where it doesn’t belong.

          And I agree with you, Miles and Hurley’s talk was beautifully done.

          • elijahmoon

            hell to the yeah on the epic sentence! Wowsa!

          • Dolce

            I read your reply to this before I read what cpjon wrote above and I couldn’t stop laughing as I went on to read it. It truly was epic.

          • cpjon446

            : ) I just reread my post and, wow, yeah, looong.

            I’m not certain, but I’m going with the use of ‘epic and impressive’ as quite sincere. The sentence in question is grammatically correct, no?

            Still contend the episode was great…

            Chris in Fort Worth

        • Dolce

          Agreed with what you said, but there were a couple of places you could have thrown a couple of commas in. *laughing*

          • Dolce

            oops ..a couple of places you could have thrown A comma in.

    • neoloki

      I will wait until tomorrow to read your thoughts in more depth before I comment in detail but I totally didn’t get that Kate just gave Aaron away. The inclusion of the supermarket scene was an action that described in very human terms why Kate came to the decision to give Aaron to Claire’s mom.

  • RandomZombie

    At the end, when Richard is holding Ben, standing dramatically with his back against the wall… am I the only one that though, for a moment, that Richard was going to to !poof! into the smoke monster and take Ben down the vent?

    • elijahmoon

      Nope Zombie I did too. I felt foolish almost immediately tho. which, I somehow feel was the “thier” intention. they got me! If they had any april fools moments that had to be it! 🙂

      • elijahmoon

        well I didnt fell like hed turn smoke monster but I did thing hed go poof! or zippoo! or some such metaphysical alteration 🙂

    • Dolce

      Not me, but that would have been a great WTF! moment. Would have been a game changer.

    • nick21989

      Ha Ha, I totally thought that too!!! The way he looked at Ben and then he kind of looked up in the air first…I was like, no way, is he going to like poof into the smoke monster and then seep down into the temple? Ha ha, glad I wasn’t the only one thinking that!

    • cap10tripps

      You may not be too far off. In fact you are on to something. If you recall Sawyer made a comment meant specifically to make us wonder, “Where the hell did you come from,” when Richard appeared in the forest. Perhaps he is the protector/judge/executioner that is Mr. Smokey. Perhaps he’s a god of sorts (or at least worshiped as one) that we will eventually see depicted in the form of a giant four toed statue…

      • chris

        Was it just the lighting or was half of Richards face/body covered in a dark smokey like substance?

      • RandomZombie

        I would love if Richard were the smoke monster. It would explain his longevity, and the mysterious aura of otherworldliness that he generates.
        But the smoke monster couldn’t pass the sonic fence, and Richard could.
        At least… he could in HUMAN form.

        I’m making the call: Richard is the smoke monster! Or vice-versa.
        I know that I’m probably wrong, but just in case I’m right, the call has been made.

        • The Magician

          I would hate it is any character ‘was’ the smoke monster.

          I think the smoke monster is probably a ”guardian” of the space time continuum. (cerberus was a guardian too 😉

          I don’t think it is human nor animal… but a physical force just like gravity or electro magnetism.

          • RandomZombie

            I don’t think that the smoke monster is human, but Richard may be a human form that it uses. It’s mimicked Walt, Yemi, and a horse, why not Richard?

        • coheed 2113

          ok so if Alpert really was the smoke monster i would of shit myself lats night i mean that would have been like the best lost twist ever

          • The Magician

            RandomZombie; it’s always a possibility, but I don’t think so. Out of those you listed, I think Yemi was the only one confirmed as an ‘avatar’ as the smoke monster. I’m almost certain I remember Darlton saying that Walt and the horse were ‘visions’ in the same way that hallucinations are.

            I don’t think the monster needs to use a human form… it is a cloud of swirling particles, that is the state it is most comfortable in.

            Anyway, I’m sure next week will reveal all…

  • Charlie’s Ghost

    Juliet= What are you supposed to do here, Jack?

    Jack= I don’t know yet

    …man, he sounds just like Locke. Weird.

    • cap10tripps

      Good point. Perhaps his purpose is to become the all knowing Jacob. This would explain why Jacob is stuck. Jack was making choices that lead to his exodus of the island. If his destiny was that of Jacob’s, then Jacob being in that in between state would be a direct result of Jack possibly leaving for good. Ben will have to be judged for allowing him to leave in the first place. If you remember it seemed Ben was not wanting Jacob to interfere with his position on the island. This is why Ben let Jack leave, but ultimately he knew that he had to bring Jack back. Now Ben’s fate will be up to Smokey (Richard?). Damn it’s getting good, or should I say even f’n better…

      • No, he’s not. Jack is NOT going to become Jacob “down the line.”

        But he HAS staryed to become what he should have been all along: a believer and Locke’s acolyte. >:}

        • RandomZombie

          I like the idea of Jack taking Boone’s place as Locke’s right-hand man.
          Locke’s leadership of the others will be very important, and Jack might just be a crucial instrument in accomplishing what has to be done.

          And it would be nice to get a name for the island’s native inhabitants. We know them as ‘others’ and ‘hostiles,’ but have no clue what they call themselves, if anything.

  • I thought Kate giving Aaron up was quite emotional… I shedded a tear or two. That might just be because I have a son and I could only imagine the pain of having to give him up.

    • RandomZombie

      The scene went better than I would have expected.
      It’s difficult for me to sympathize with Kate, though. She took Aaron, still believing Claire to be on the island, and claimed him as her own, even when his grandmother was mere feet away.
      I don’t dig that, man.

      • elijahmoon

        amen to that

      • Dolce

        Claire’s mama showing up was an unexpected turn of events. The o6 had already concocted this intricate lie and publicised it to the world. The baby had to be explained, and they could’t say one of the dead 815 passengers gave birth. I think it was pretty strong of Kate to take on the responsibility of raising a child. It was too late to just hand him over to granny without blowing the lie.

    • cpjon446

      Absolutely. The loss of a loved one, no matter the relation, is very traumatic. When you couple it with the loss as a result of a decision to make things right, well, man that’s some sad stuff. For all the shit given to Kate (and E. Lilly) from the Lost community of fans and critics, I for one feel obliged to acknowledge how good of a performance she gave tonight.

      Chris in Fort Worth

      • elijahmoon

        agreed It was a wonderful performance in my mind. she even garnered enuff points to get on my good side [hated her before] and that only because of her motivation for returning to the island being a commendable reason.

        • RandomZombie

          She needs to do a little more before I’m back on her side. She gave up Aaron, which was difficult for her, but he wasn’t her child to begin with, so that doesn’t do it.

          Jeremy Bentham told her that, if they didn’t go back, everyone on the island would die. She then asserted that she wouldn’t go back.
          That put her on my bad side.

          • dtruth

            Has it ever occurred to you that you don’t have to be on her side? LOL. You can’t like everyone. The show would be boring otherwise. So, it’s okay. Hate her. You don’t need to be looking for her to get you onside. BTW, you are not a fan of adoption? ….because when you raise a child for 3 years, when you have to give that child away, it can hurt. You do not have to be its biological mother. In fact, true story, some biological mothers give their children away. Just like Claire was going to do 🙂 Then these “baby stealers” come and adopt them or look after them and yeah, maybe, they deserve no sympathy when they have to let go of that child even if the only mother the child has ever known is that ” not the baby’s mother” .

            Everybody told JB they would not go back so everybody is on your bad side. Where is your enjoyment of the show?! LOL.

          • RandomZombie

            dtruth-

            I enjoy the show far more than anything else on television, and I’m perfectly fine with not liking Kate.
            I’m just saying that IF she’s going to get on my good side, it’s going to take more than that. She’s a well-realized and well-acted character, I just don’t care for her.

            I also understand that it hurt Kate to give Aaron up. I have no doubt that she loves him very much and wants him to be happy and taken care of, but that doesn’t excuse her initial actions.

            You can’t call what Kate did ‘adoption.’ I believe in adoption – my wife and I have discussed it at length and have chosen to adopt.
            But what Kate did is not adoption. Claire told Kate that she was going to give Aaron away, but that she changed her mind. Claire did not wish for anyone else to have Aaron, and Kate was not chosen to take care of him. It’s Kate’s insistence on him being her son, and her declaration that no one is going to take ‘her son’ away that gets to me. SHE took him away from someone, and kept him away from his grandmother.

  • As it relates to Richard Alpert. I think he stands outside the leadership of the Others/Hostiles. He has power, but almost seems to embody the position of shaman or mystic. When he says that he doesn’t really care about what Ellie or Charles will think, I don’t think he’s being disrespectful — I think he is just stating that he is not accountable to them. It’s almost like he’s a Jedi Knight and they are the Republican Senate. He works for them, but they do not have total authority over his actions.

    • rob

      richard a jedi knight? booooooooo. richard = yoda. interesting. so, that would mean that: jack = luke, sawyer = han solo, hurley = chewbacca, locke = obi wan, ben = anakin/vader, widmore = palpatine, kate = padme, claire = leia, maybe jacob = the force. man, star wars and lost, two of my favorite things of all time. quantum leap was bomb too.

      • elijahmoon

        lol. quantum leap is bomb 🙂

    • MedusaSpider

      More like Richard and Eloise are the rulers, Richard is the “priest”. Historically, the balance of power between these two classes has been complex to say the least. I’d say it fits best with what we’ve seen so far.

    • DezziesOtherLifeBrotha

      Please understand Ambivalentman I am not critizing your thoughts because I agree with what you’re saying. Richard is not accountable to them. Yes.

      However, in regards to the sentiments you are RESPONDING to… various posters, even lostpedia have gotten this exchange wrong.

      I can’t stand it when people consistently fail to quote the characters verbatim. If you paraphrase, that’s the first step towards misinterpreting the meaning behind crucial bits of dialogue. Richard said “I don’t answer to them.” In effect he was saying I don’t care, but that is not what he said or how he said it.

      He simply said “I don’t answer to them.” He is an somewhat autonomous figure of power that answers to only the island/jacob. Much like the Smoke Monster. That is the crucial piece of information we are supposed to cull from this exchange. The fact that he may or may not have been ‘disrespectfu’l to whoever leads the rest of the others is more or less irrelevant.

    • Dolce

      agree

      • Dolce

        with ambivolent.

  • missing toe

    It’s always Kate’s fault. Any way you look at it, she’s just a big ol homewrecker.
    Since Juliet was brought to the island by Richard and lived as an Other/Hostile
    for so long, did she have to lose her innocence too? Come to think of it, Juliet
    has been quite the homewrecker herself. Bottom line is, Juliet knows WAY more
    than anyone in these D.I. days. She’s the link here, besides Faraday of course.
    So let us all just hope that the scene of big Ben on the dock before he gets
    a beat down is far more rewarding than where we came to find out that Aaron
    ended up.

  • Jennifer

    I’ll admit that I’m a “Skater”, and this episode basically revived my fandom. Some people, oddly, don’t see it that way, because of Sawyer’s stated: “I did it for her.” But on the subtler levels it’s all coming back together and it actually looked like Juliette was pushing towards a realignment, what with sending her man off into the jungle with Kate and spying on Jack in the shower (simultaneously urging him to figure out what the hell he was doing – hint, hint…)

    And, well, “Freckles.” I’d say “Freckles” carries a whole lot more weight than “I did it for her,” because it said what “Jim Lafleur” isn’t ready to admit yet – that he’s Sawyer and he still loves Kate.

    Sigh.

    And now I will put on my non-shipper mind and say that yeah, that whole “we’re going to do our Others magic thing and he won’t remember” bit was a tad too easy. A bit deus ex machina.

    But Locke surprising Ben kicked ass.

    And Richard showing that no one can push him around on his island was also great.

    Yup.

    Very satisfying all around. I only wish we could watch it in 2 hour chunks. These short episodes never sate my “Lost” hunger.

    • elijahmoon

      haha very well said

  • dtruth

    Fantastic episode. Definitely the best of the season for me and in general, in the top 3 for most people. You’ve got to be a total myth geek to not have enjoyed this episode waiting for smokemonster or something. Thank God for character centric episodes. If it was left to some of you guys, Lost will be showing on Sci-fi at 2am because it does not have the requisite number of viewers to be a primetime major network show. Thank God the writers were smart enough to throw in human drama so as to get 6-10 million viewers over it’s seasons.

    I have always said Darlton write Kate best and this was fantastic. I am not surprised Evie hit it out of the ball park. She has always been the best actress on the show and remains so. Her expressions do better work than any dialogue Juliet or Sun spew. They are good too but Evie is a natural and the naturales are better than the taught. Give her her Emmy NOW. You would have to be blinded by Kate hate to not see the greatness of Evies acting and Kates actions in this episode.

    I need to rewatch again but talk about parallels. To put on my shipping boots, Darlton wrote this episode. If there is any doubt that Skate is endgame, quench it now. They are. We are progressing there in spectacular fashion. It’s going to be worth the wait.

    Sonya-Take off your Evangeline Hate glasses. JH this season has had one expression having been influenced by EM who has one expression and variations of it. The smirk. When JH is interacting with others and Evie especially, he brings it all on board. With Juliet, his mouth is slightly open, Juliets smirk is up to the right, then they both start to speak. I am delighted everyone is back together now so JH can show what a good actor he has become. He was stuck in a rot acting wise even in La Fleur. His best acting this season so far has been the myriad of expressions he was able to display in the scene where he watched Clair giving birth to Aaron. Since then it’s been blah. He is coming back though.

    As for soap? If La Fleur was not soap opera to you then your comment on Kate’s lines in this episode being soapy should be dismissed.

    • Jack Daniels

      Totally agree. Evangeline Lilly is, and has always been, the best actress on this show. I think the only other actress that has come close to levelling her performances was Michelle Rodriguez as Ana-Lucia. That’s right, I said it, but she had a really meaty role to dig her teeth into, and I think was perfect for the part.
      Back to Evie: One could argue that she’s had more opportunities to flex her acting muscles, given that her character of Kate has been more central to the story and in it for longer, however, ever since Elizabeth Mitchell joined the show at the beginning of Season 3, I just haven’t been completely convinced that she was right for the role of Juliet. At the beginning, when Juliet’s agenda was more mysterious and shrouded in mystery I thought she played it quite well, but since the beginning of Season 4 she just hasn’t seemed right for it. I realise that’s not necessarily her fault and more the writers, but I keep wanting to imagine other actresses in the role.
      You’re also right about Evangeline Lilly being a naturally good actress, she never appears to force her expressions, and always delivers her dialogue with sincerity. She really should be an actress for the future, but unfortunately I don’t think we’ll see an awful lot of her after Lost concludes next year. It’s annoying when actresses who are nowhere near as good as others get the big roles, but that’s Hollywood, I guess.
      Megan Fox was the featured star in Empire magazine’s recent “Hot List” article from their May 2009 issue and will probably be the “IT” girl for the next five years or so. The only reason I’m not going to comment on her acting ability is simply because the only thing I’ve seen her in was Transformers, which was good for what it was, but I think that over time she’ll get roles that Evie would be perfect for, and that is a shame.

      • DezziesOtherLifeBrotha

        I disagree… but it is hard for me to come up with even a short list of better actresses appearing in Lost. In casting Lost the producers have obviously always made looks the priority. In short, Lost hasn’t been kind to the ladies. To begin with, the characters themselves have often been written poorly. The actresses cast in the biggest roles have been largely disappointing. Milquetoast. Television actresses…

        Lost has its share of TV actors as well… Matthew Fox I’m looking at you first and foremost. Ian Somerhalder, that guy who played Paulo, most of the Others from Season 2 etc… But when you factor in the work of Henry Ian Cusick, Terry O’Quinn, Naveen Andrews, Michael Emerson, Nestor Carbonnell, Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje, Josh Holloway… etc. etc. the imbalance becomes enormous. Unofortunately, the producers haven’t allowed the women to have that kind of briliance on this show.

        No offense to Evangeline Lilly, but she will always be a TV actress. The test for me is how ‘lost’ you get in the events happening on screen. When I’m watching Juliet, Shannon, Libby, Nikki, Charlotte, Amy, Harper, Naomi, Ilana, Cassidy, Helen, Jack’s ex-wife, Juliet’s sister, Kate’s Mom, Kate herself et al… I feel like I’m watching a TV show. I can hear and see and feel them acting. It’s phony and uncomfortable at times.

        I would say as a whole, I’ve found Sonya Walger’s portrayal of Penny Widmore to be one of the best female contributions to the show. You never watch a scene with Sonya and have that phony feeling. It’s genuine. She’s fantastic.

        There are many actresses on Lost that I think are wonderful, but the sad thing is they mostly occupy bit parts. They always leave you wanting more and resenting the chicks who hog all the screen time and emotionally weighty storylines like Juliet and Kate. Eloise Hawking (the young and especially the old), Danielle Rousseau, Nadia, the woman Sayid tortured, Bea Klugh, Rose, Mary Poppins…

    • neoloki

      Good episode but definitely NOT top 3 for me. By the end of the season probably will be around 9 or 10.

      This whole season has been so good though that ranking doesn’t mean much.

  • Timm

    I thought this episode was brilliant. Even considering it was a “Kate” episode the flashback/forward/sideways/whatever was actually bearable for once. Maybe it was because kate was shocked to see both Jack and Sawyer had moved on from her. (“You didn’t like the old me” and “I did it for her”) I like the new Jack, it seems like both him and Sawyer have “grown up”. I do hope they settle this relationship thing soon though, i’m fed up with the too-ing and fro-ing.

    The bit with lil Ben being taken into the temple was good, didn’t think it was too simple or cheesey. Some things you just gotta accept as being the way they are. So he forgets everything about Sayid? Fine, okay. That works. It’s your story.

    Miles and Hurley are fantastic. Great to see a bit of banter again and i hope we see more of them in the future.

    • Lionessak

      I TOTALLY agree with you. Loved the same things you’re talking about…just adding Richard’s comment about him not answering to Charles nor Ellie, and the shocking face of Ben when Locke welcomed him back to the land of the living.
      Great episode!

      Can’t wait for the next one*

  • spinflip

    Hey, wait a minute, how does Miles know anything about the wheel??

    • apackofmonkeys

      Good catch! I wonder too… What exactly did he say, I can’t quite remember– was it something Locke could have told them about beforehand, or did Miles specifically talk about Locke putting it back on the axis?

      • imfromthepast

        he couldn’t have heard about it from Locke. Locke never saw the wheel when Ben turned it, and when Locke turned it, the first time he saw it, it flashed him to 2007.

        I saw screw up. Like Ben’s magic, variable bullet wound…

        • apackofmonkeys

          Hmm, I think you’re right. I get the feeling it won’t be worth anything to try and figure out Miles’s entire past and island knowledge based on this quote.

          But Ben’s magic bullet wound, that’s a terrible goof- how does nobody catch that during filming and post-production?

        • Zonker

          Maybe Faraday told him? Faraday was there when Dharma was building the Orchid and saw the sonar image of the frozen donkey wheel. It wouldn’t be to hard to leap to the conclusion that the wheel was the mechanism. Likewise, maybe Faraday has inside knowledge of Dharma that he shared at some point with Miles.

          Or, Miles just picked it up from speaking to the island’s dead…

          • apackofmonkeys

            I saw people over on a discussion page at Lostpedia talking about the same thing and was on my way over here to post that 🙂
            You’re right, between Faraday being hired by Widmore (who has tons of island knowledge), being the son of Eloise (who apparently also has tons of island knowledge), and appearing in the Orchid at some point, Faraday could easily have deduced that Ben turned it and caused the time-craziness, and told Miles and the others.

        • Lionessak

          True! I hadn’t noticed that….

        • jon

          They always have communicating with the dead to explain anything he knows.

      • spinflip

        It was like that:

        Hurley: If all this already happened to me, then why don’t I remember any of it?
        Miles: Because once Ben turned that wheel, time isn’t a straight line for us anymore.

        And the episode was even written by the Darlton duo…

    • imfromthepast

      lol. you know what? that is a very good point.
      Interesting…

    • Kawnar

      I think you all might be forgetting that Miles is more than likely Chang’s baby. Meaning he grew up on the island. I wouldn’t be surprised if he found out about the wheel from the building of the Orchid. and possibly “The Incident”

      • Nikita

        We’ve seen a video tape that Chang tries to send to the future (Comic Con). If that fails, then perhaps he tells Miles what happens to insure that knowledge is passed on to Miles’ group.

  • avoidz

    I want to know why the bullet wound changed sides from the previous episode. Hmm…?

    • rysjules

      because you are officially an idiot

      • imfromthepast

        hey, that’s uncalled for.

  • hyperRevue

    I was a little underwhelmed by the Ben stuff. He won’t remember whatever Alpert does to him and that’s why he doesn’t remember Sayid? Eh. I want Ben to remember it all and I want Ben to remember Sayid when 815 crashes.

  • professorstotch

    Some things:

    – Kind of convinient that Ben won’t remember all this.
    – Kate sucks, her flashbacks suck, I hope she dies.
    – Seeing Kate get pwned first by Jack, and then by Sawyer in the same episode was amazing. I hope she discovers she has no purpose in life and willingly gets eaten by a polar bear.

    • Mack

      Haha, I felt similarly. Kate is a user who doesn’t have her head on straight. When she was going through her dramatic scenes, my wife leaned over to me and said sarcastically, “I think we are suppose to care.”

      I am not a fan of the whole love triangle, its an old TV cliche put in expressly to please the network and the less sophisticated fans. I think of those who only watch Lost for the love story as the type of people who would buy the best car imaginable, great gas mileage and horsepower, all the best features for no other reason than they like the color.

      • dtruth

        ….so you must have been pretty less sophisticated yourself when you were wooing your wife? To say those who watch it for the love story are “less sophisticated” is ridicilous. You are supposed to be more sophisticated because you watch it for a smokemonster and dead people rising up and temples and orchids and nosebleeds and Islands disappearing? Please!

        I think most Lost fans watch it for both. The sometimes ridiculous and unrealistic mythology and the sometimes cliched lovestory and the tie between the mythology and the characters and fans who fail to see that and characterise fans who enjoy the more human and realistic aspects of the show as “less sophisticated” are unfortunately very short sighted themselves and sadly deluded about what sophistication entails or means.

      • cpjon446

        Please, give me a break with this nonsense. You seriously judge people’s sophistication, or lack-there-of, by whether or not they buy into a love story on a network TV show? (which, by the way, is the same TV show you are opining about on an internet forum)

        A pop-culture elitist spewing negativity as a means of gazing down at the silly, unaware paupers.

        Chris in Fort Worth

      • Jennifer

        Agree with other user – saying people who like the love story are “less sophisticated” in some way is pretty insulting. I love the love story, I’d even say I’m a “shipper”, but I’m also an English major/Film minor who works with professors as a grader on film papers. I’m just as comfortable watching Kubrick or an obscure documentary as I am watching a romantic comedy. And I do like the mystery/mystical aspects of the show.

        The fact that I like some emotion and (god forbid!) sex appeal with my mysteries doesn’t make me unsophisticated, it makes me human, and fun!

        I also think that it’s somewhat arid to divorce intellectual viewing and analysis from emotional content. If you want that, you should watch the Discovery channel. There are plenty of real-world mysteries which won’t inconvenience you with human drama.

        Of course, this is not an uncommon stereotype. I actually think some of this “romance as unsophisticated” mindset comes from our culture which is still pretty misogynistic and sexphobic. People who like the anger and villainy in “Lost” aren’t seen as unsophisticated viewers. Yet how is watching that better than watching people fall in and out of love, or working out their romantic relationships to each other? It isn’t, but we’re meant to view love as foolish in this culture. Maybe if we gave love a little more credit, we wouldn’t be in such bad shape societally.

    • Uncle Beaver

      Hey, professorstotch.

      I don’t completely agree with what you just said… But that was pretty funny. I just spit orange juice all over my monitor after reading that.

  • Hooray!

    That episode was brilliant!

    I’m so glad they kept back on track on the right path after the vale of falling action last week. Fantastic!

    Undoubtedly, the coming episode will be AMAZING.

  • rysjules

    SonyaLynn is hot

  • Iwantmykidneyback

    When Richard said that Ben wouldn’t remember anything, what was he referring to? Because we know that he goes back to the DI and eventually kills his father and the rest of them. Was he talking about what was about to happen to Ben? Will he now think that he’s been born on the island?

  • MedusaSpider

    Really enjoying the Locke-and-Jack-trading-places storyline.
    Jack is slowly becoming a passive pawn (oooh, alliteration), waiting for the “island” to tell him what to do. I think Locke is becoming more assertive, more a take-charge kind of guy at the same time.

    Don’t be so hard on Kate’s character, you guys. All these characters are deeply flawed. She’s not my favourite either, but she’s integral to the story. And Evangeline Lilly is doing a great job portraying her.

    I feel the need to gloat at this point. I SO totally called the fact that it would be the Others who save Ben, not Jack et al. My post to that effect is buried somewhere deep in another discussion from last week. I think the fact of being resurrected by the Others/Richard/the Island is what makes some people “special”. I think this same thing happened to Christian and now to Locke.

    • spinflip

      >Jack is slowly becoming a passive pawn (oooh, alliteration)

      He’s a pwned pawn, too. 😉

    • missing toe

      I agree that we all might be a little hard on Kate’s character. For me
      it’s nothing to do E. Lilly, she is doing a great job of portraying Kate.
      Kate is probably thee most deeply flawed of the characters and really
      seems to do no right, she comes in and just messes everything up and
      I think that is why people are always Kate-bashing. I would never be
      mad about a Kate-centric episode though, she’s very important to the show
      and besides I like how Pasty Cline is always playing in her back-stories.
      I really just LOVED how she was singing “Catch a Falling Star.”
      Throw back to S1 when Claire asked the almost adoptive parents if they
      knew that song and could sing it to the baby.
      I do really like how Jack is taking the back seat and becoming more
      of a man of faith rather than his man of science norm. I think he is
      giving Locke his dying wish and is starting to believe, or he’s simply
      just not getting in the way anymore.

  • O6LostFan

    I’ve been reading this blog for a while now and have come to the conclusion that this is a place of hate.

    Alot of negative comments toward the actors, the show and other readers. Putting someone down because of their features is just wrong. But, if pictures of people who write here are of them, then no wonder they are jealous.

    Doc, you pick and choose who you “scold”. It’s your site, you can do whatever you want.

    Rant Over….

    Last nights episode was one of the better ones IMO. Kate more than redeemed herself. If people would get past what the actress “looks like” they would see she committed the most selfless act to date on the show. She “atoned” for her past “sins” if you will.

    • verylost

      Done crying, hipocrite?

      • O6LostFan

        How am I being a hypocrite? <— Note Spelling!

        • verylost

          Well, you said “Putting someone down because of their features is just wrong.” Then you go on to say that “But, if pictures of people who write here are of them, then no wonder they are jealous,” which would be calling them unattractive or putting them down because of their looks. That’s why?

    • apackofmonkeys

      I actually find this place refreshing because there’s so LITTLE vitriol-spewing here compared to other sites and forums. Go look at digg.com’s or fark.com’s forums or any video game site with thousands of 12- and 13-year-olds to learn about the average level of hate on the internet.

      • RandomZombie

        I agree. I used to frequent another Lost site (before discovering this one) and it became a very hateful environment. Any speculation was met with name-calling and insults. It was awful.

        • O6LostFan

          Read through this thread and others on this site and you will find the same thing.

          • Dolce

            I call that passion, my friend. Sometimes it does go a little far ( I have beeen guilty myself ), but it is passion. Except when the trolls and the faux haters chime in. They can…

  • MedusaSpider

    Did anyone else wonder if Richard was bringing Ben to the cabin?

  • tenthz

    Last week, there was a DI member in the voting meeting who had a Looking Glass patch and “Rosie” “Nurse” on her pocket.

    This week, Juliet mentions that the doctor is at the Looking Glass because it’s Friday. (Or at least that is the connotation I got out of the lines. I need to re-watch that scene.)

    Any thoughts on how this might end up being important?

  • LostinNewYork

    Miles & Hurleys debate was the exact same debate that’s been happening in the forum for the past 2 weeks. It was genius!

    • hyperRevue

      Yeah, I really loved how Hurley and Miles were basically two fans of the show debating it.

    • hyperRevue

      Hurley always sort of speaks for the fans.

      Like when he commented about how Jin’s English was so good.

  • Nikita

    One of the things that I blurted out when Alpert listed the “side effects” to healing YB in the Temple was “This is soooo Pet Semetary!”

    Did anyone else think the same thing? I mean, seeing as how Darlton are such huge King fans. The whole bury your pet, it comes back to life “unholy” or wicked. I’m not saying the YB comes out wicked, but the idea that he loses his innocence….reminded me of the idea of an Indian burial ground used for healing…..so why not use an Egyptian like temple?

  • The Magician

    There could be any number of reasons Ben would forget what happened to him; as Amazing as the human mind is, it is certainly by no means infallible, and the brain has ways of short-circuiting things that are harmful to us.

    Considering Ben wasn’t even in his teens, it’s not a huge leap to imagine that his subconscious simply repressed the memories of what happened in that temple. (Remember, repression is a common biological mechanism and happens to a great deal of people who have undergone some kind of trauma)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_repression

  • O6LostFan

    verylost says:
    April 2, 2009 at 3:47 pm
    Done crying, hipocrite?

    How am I being a hypocrite? <— Note Spelling!

  • Michel

    Best things in the episode…

    … the preview of next week’s “Dead Is Dead”.

    Ben goes all Indiana Jones.

  • illegibleg

    chombo on the Fuselage.com, linked readers to a Wikipedia page about “Agartha.”

    Just READ IT.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agartha

  • Megan Fox is very sexy! I seriously fall in love with her.