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roomforhuman’s madcap theory of the week: Jacob’s constant

By roomforhuman,

  Filed under: Lost Theories
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With all of this consciousness time travel and never dying love going around, I’ve been thinking of the not-so-corporeal Jacob.  And, I am now convinced, or semi-convinced, that Jacob‘s constant is the island.

 

Let’s say Jacob was affected by the overbearing electromagnetic properties of the island at one point in time.  He would then be thrust into the same crisis as Desmond and Minkowski. What makes Jacob different, however, is the fact that he has been on the island for a very long time, perhaps, and for the purposes of my theory, all his life.  For Desmond, there was a very specific 1996 for his consciousness to jump from (I say jump from because Darlton confirmed in the latest podcast that 1996 Desmond’s conscious woke up in 2004 Desmond).  Confused, who isn’t?  It’s Lost for cryin’ out loud.  Anyway, time on the island is obviously very unstable, so there is no definite time for Jacob to jump to or from.  And, so, Jacob is unstably jumping from one unstable consciousness to another, but he is alive and well because his constant is alive and well: the island.  In this state, Jacob will never be physical because he is moving outside of time (or at least stable time).  He is not body but pure consciousness.  Perhaps this proves that Jacob and Smokey are in fact synonymous in that Smokey is Jacob‘s consciousness moving around in non-corporeal form. It’s no wonder then why Jacob/Smokey would do anything to protect the island.  It’s the only thing keeping him alive.

 

But, perhaps there is another constant in Jacob‘s life…his cabin.  Perhaps this is his “body.” Perhaps his experience with the islands electromagnetism was within the 4 walls of the ultra creepy domicile.  Or, perhaps not.  It could be that he just enjoys admiring his hound dog painting, while sipping on some strange red liquid in his comfortable 50 year old rocking chair.  

 

Madcap or plausible?  Confirm or deny!    


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  • boobs

    What are you smoking?
    What we do know is that two things must happen to be able to leap through time: A lot of electromagnetism, or radiation, AND coming to or going from the island on the non-specified path.

    When those two happen, you eventually die of information overload if you do not have a constant.

    Let’s say that Jacob fits the bill; where’s his body?

  • Ben

    Quite possibly. Also, the ledger from the Black Rock may be key in revealing a constant. I believe Jacob is… DUN DUN DUUUUUN… ALvar Hanso. Only all caught out of time.

  • b

    “What makes Jacob different, however, is the fact that he has been on the island for a very long time, perhaps, and for the purposes of my theory, all his life.”

    As a previous poster said, the consciousness jumps occur when a person has been exposed to electromagnetism/radiation AND is either coming to or leaving the island.

    If Jacob has been on the island all his life, how would he make the initial jump?

  • roomforhuman

    boobs,

    In response to your “this must happen to leap through time” list, you don’t have to be anywhere near the island to do it. The only thing that must happen in order to be unstuck in time is you have to be struck with a very high level of electromagnetism or radiation (on Faraday’s machine it’s a setting of 2.342 at 11 MHz to be exact). Eloise was unstuck and she was not coming from or going to the island. My theory, in very simple terms, states that Jacob is permanently unstuck in time. It may have been one of the previously eluded to “incidents” (see the blast door map) that gave off the amount of electormagnetism needed to cause Jacob to be in this state. As for the whereabouts of his body…that’s a great question.

  • Samfishercell

    Ben – Alvar Hanso is currently off island and the re-instated head of the Hanso Foundation.

    http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Alvar_hanso

  • boobs

    roomforhuman,
    Ok, so by that logic, this could have also happened to Ben, and maybe Richard Alpert and others. Actually, it could have happened (or will happen) to everyone on the island since everyone there (except the freighter 4) has been exposed to the same thing as Desmond when the hatch imploded.
    And if you want to say that Desmond was at the hatch, so were Charlie, Ecko, and Locke. I don’t think you have to crawl into the small space to turn the key to be exposed to radiation/electromagnetism. I mean the sky turned purple and it looked gnarly. Not just a little microwave that you have to stand within 2 feet to lose sperm count.

    I think everyone’e theories are a smidgen correct. This one too.

  • Ben

    He may well be “off island”, but we don’t see him at all, bar statements. The fact that we saw him in the ARG doesn’t mean much. I’m sure it could be worked out that he has funded electromagnetism experiments, has been part of it, and that he can “jump” to the island as needed.

  • matt

    jacob is not the smoke monster, the smoke monester was part of a dharma project, on the map on the blast door of the hatch there is a marking that says location of catastrophic cerberus malfunction incident 1985. the producers have confirmed that the cerberus is the black smoke.
    you can find the map enlarge here http://homepage.mac.com/c_bowers/.pictures/blastdoormap.jpg

  • lockefan3805

    Ben: Did you maybe mean Magnus Hanso and not Alvar?

    I think Magnus Hanso has developed into Jacob. Magnus Hanso, as the owner of the New World Sea Traders who owned The Black Rock, was also the captain on The Black Rock’s last known voyage in 1881. (I think this was according to info we learned through Find815.com, or maybe The Lost Experience).

    Perhaps Magnus was “unstuck” upon his arrival on the island (a serious tsunami could throw that ship to the middle of the island at a non-particular bearing, resulting in contact with high levels of electromagnetic phenonmenon), but can still (sometimes) maintain contact with (some) of the other surviving crew from The Black Rock. The surviving crew from the Black Rock are whom we have come to know as “The Hostiles”, or “The island’s original inhabitants”.

    Ok – I’m a little off track from the original post, but want to make these comments:

    I agree that Jacob (Magnus?) is a pure consciousness (not physical), but manifest himself in physical form as needed to commune with others on the island (Eko, Locke, Jack, Kate, Ben, Hurley, Shannon, Boone and maybe others I’m missing here).

    I also agree that Smokey and Jacob are one and the same…many have posted theories about them being opposites – dark vs. light and good vs. evil…but I suspect they are one and the same, but behave different toward different people at different times…all based on what is going on at the time…Perhaps to protect the island?

    As for the Island being Jacob’s constant? Well, I reserve an answer until further review, but offer a few other possibilities (especially if Jacob really is Magnus…could The Black Rock be Jacob’s constant? could the journal that Widmore purchased be Jacob’s constant?

    Anywho…thrilling episode. I was captivated for a full hour and frustrated my FF button on the DVR didn’t work on live tv during the commerical breaks!

  • roomforhuman

    And that’s why it’s called a madcap theory; because it is just that. But I do have to say that I believe Desmond bared the brunt of the electromagnetism blow by being the one who turned the failsafe key. Case and point: he’s the only one with the flashes. And, it’s not just radiation in general, even in high amounts…it’s the exact amount (and perhaps higher) that Faraday’s machine put out. So, it’s fair to assume that even though other Losties were exposed to the radiation, it may not have been enough to un-stick them. Also, we’ve seen that some have an immunity to this sort of radiation/electromagnetism (Sayid and Frank). I’m just sayin’.

  • Ben

    Possibly, although who’se to say Alvar and Magnus aren’t one in the same? I’m sure there’s some way that can happen yet to be revealed.

    I also wonder if the creepy voices Sayid heard in season 1 are the voices of Danielle’s crew, permanently displaced in time, but trapped by electromagnetism on the Island?

  • VictorC

    I think some of you guys are confusing Alvar Hanso for Tovard Hanso, he’s the one selling the Black Rock journal (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Tovard_Hanso).

    Now my question is why would Tovard be doing this, the Hanso family is filthy rich, unless Tovard perhaps isn’t.

    Magnus and Alvar are not the same person, Magnus’s body has already been buried, as can be seen on the blast door map (check the different Hanso family members here: http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Hanso).

  • matt

    lockefan3805 said:
    Ben: Did you maybe mean Magnus Hanso and not Alvar?

    I think Magnus Hanso has developed into Jacob. Magnus Hanso, as the owner of the New World Sea Traders who owned The Black Rock, was also the captain on The Black Rock’s last known voyage in 1881. (I think this was according to info we learned through Find815.com, or maybe The Lost Experience).

    Perhaps Magnus was “unstuck” upon his arrival on the island (a serious tsunami could throw that ship to the middle of the island at a non-particular bearing, resulting in contact with high levels of electromagnetic phenonmenon), but can still (sometimes) maintain contact with (some) of the other surviving crew from The Black Rock. The surviving crew from the Black Rock are whom we have come to know as “The Hostiles”, or “The island’s original inhabitants”.

    Ok – I’m a little off track from the original post, but want to make these comments:

    I agree that Jacob (Magnus?) is a pure consciousness (not physical), but manifest himself in physical form as needed to commune with others on the island (Eko, Locke, Jack, Kate, Ben, Hurley, Shannon, Boone and maybe others I’m missing here).

    I also agree that Smokey and Jacob are one and the same…many have posted theories about them being opposites – dark vs. light and good vs. evil…but I suspect they are one and the same, but behave different toward different people at different times…all based on what is going on at the time…Perhaps to protect the island?

    As for the Island being Jacob’s constant? Well, I reserve an answer until further review, but offer a few other possibilities (especially if Jacob really is Magnus…could The Black Rock be Jacob’s constant? could the journal that Widmore purchased be Jacob’s constant?

    jacob is not the smoke monster, the smoke monester was part of a dharma project, on the map on the blast door of the hatch there is a marking that says location of catastrophic cerberus station malfunction incident 1985. the producers have confirmed that the cerberus is the black smoke.
    you can find the map enlarge here http://homepage.mac.com/c_bowers/.pictures/blastdoormap.jpg

    JACOB IS NO THE BLACK SMOKE

  • Cypher Solver

    Jacob’s constant is the DOG in the picture.

    A better question might be: Who is Ben’s constant? C&L said that Ben did not have “flashes”, but perhaps Ben’s consciousness can timejump in a controlled fashion. This would explain several of Ben’s quips like “we’ve done this before”, etc.

    Also, Ms. Hawking is clearly telling lies. The example she used to convince Desmond was the red-shoed man getting killed. C&L have said they are “anti-paradox”, so life (and death) hold true in the past, present, and future. However, past consciousness can clearly change future (not paradoxical) events — we saw that last night!

    Personally, I’d like my conscious to jump to May 2010 so I can watch the last episode and finally understand what the hell all this means!

  • roomforhuman

    LOL, Cypher Solver. I agree 100%.

  • Mag wheels

    That dude on the new video pod cast looks alot like the original Jacob.

  • matt

    cypher solver i agree about the lady…..she says theres no point in prolonger someones life when they are going to die any way but if Desmond had not saved Charlie the first few times then he never would have been able to turn off the looking glass.

  • Chris6o7

    Mag, the man in the new video podcast name is Rob Kyker and according to Lostpedia he is the man he played the role of Jacob in “The Man Behind The Curtain.”

  • boobs

    Matt, the lady also said that the fabric of time would correct itself if anything changed. The podcast confirmed this by explaining how anti-paradox C&L are.

  • SithLord

    If Jacob controls smokey, then theyre kinda one and the same arent they?
    I used to think Jacob was Magnus Hanso, but now Ive had a new idea. What if Jacob is Aaron?

  • KeepingAwake

    I don’t see how Charlie’s death being temporarily postponed by a few days has invalidated Mrs. Hawking’s rules of course correction. He did, in fact, still die. And I think we have a pretty good idea that not all of our 815’rs are going to be rescued, which was the stated purpose of Charlie turning off the switch in The Looking Glass. So we are still consistent with Mrs. Hawking.

    Desmond figuring out how to stay alive for the moment by calling Penny doesn’t tell us anything about the rules being invalidated either. Mrs. Hawking’s rules leave an awful lot of wiggle room–maybe Des was actually NOT supposed to die, so he didn’t.

  • SithLord said:
    “If Jacob controls smokey, then theyre kinda one and the same arent they?”

    I control my dog, my computer, 60 or so employees, and my thermostat… know what I mean?

    As far as Mrs. Hawking being proven wrong or Desmond’s image of Claire getting on the helicopter, I think we all need to remember two simple words: people lie. We so often try to decide what percent of a typical Ben statement is a lie but we take nearly everyone else exactly at their word. This seems so foolish. People intentionally lie and are sometimes unintentionally wrong.

  • Matt

    yea Chris6o7 is correct Rober Kyker played Jacob in the man behind the curtain but my instinct is that Richard is going to end up being Jacob.

  • angela

    a. cerberus is the dog that guards the gates to hell.
    b. mrs. hawking wanted des to let charlie die the first few times so no one would find the island.

    i think mrs. hawking, widmore, ben, et al are part of some group not wanting anyone to find the island.

    hmmm.

  • Dru

    What if the way the show is set up, with flashbacks and flashforwards is deeper than we thought. Perhaps these are all the people on the island traveling thru time, yet they have no memory of doing so.

  • lmz27

    Dru: do you mean like the island is sort of “limbo” for the consciousness when it’s travelling through time?

  • SithLord

    evangelicalpoet, you “control” 60 or so employees?
    who are you, Ben?
    one is not held accountable for every action of one or any of ones employees. one is however, held responsible for the actions and contents of ones computer, and dog…..
    do you understand better now?

  • I understand what condescending is. *coughcough*

    Look, the terminology might not sit well with you, but I assure you that it’s accurate. Just as there are higher ups then me who control my on-clock decisions. It’s not like I’m a puppet master, by no means am I trying to claim that. However I AM definitly held accountable for nearly any mistake my guys and girls (said with affection) make. *shrug* It’s just the way the company works.

    Besides… you ducked the point I was making didn’t you? What I’m saying is that control over something does not make you a part of it in my mind, so I see no justification in saying Jacob = smokey. Sorry if my disagreeing with your question offends you. If it bothers you so, feel free to not respond.

  • SithLord

    lol….peace….no worries.
    i was just playing Abaddons advocate.