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Rate and Rant – The Ending

By Koobie,

  Filed under: Lost
  Comments: 396

I think the ending deserves its own Rate and Rant. In a few short bullets here is my short explanation of the ending:

  • The alternate timeline was actually the Losties own personal purgatory
  • When the Losties’ lives were over, their consciousnesses found this place
  • And when they were ready, they all crossed over together
  • David only existed inside this purgatory, Jack basically created him
  • Ben didn’t go inside the church because he wasn’t ready to cross over (maybe waiting for Annie?)
  • Mrs. Hawking figured it out, but wasn’t ready to lose her son again (told them not to take Faraday)
  • A whole new meaning to live together, die alone. “No one does it alone.”

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From TVFrenzy:

  • RandomZombie

    Completely unexpected, but amazingly executed.

    • Chad Geri

      Spot on!

      • I thought it was expected, but after six seasons, I can’t be mad at them at all. It was beautiful, and in the end, I only care about the characters. The mysteries… save them for the months to come, but I’m so glad everyone got closure in the last scene.

        • adam118

          Totally. Seeing our Losties getting happy endings, well the emotion of that far outweighed any questions about the mythology.

          But, sort of confused about whether or not David is real, along with Charlie Hume.
          Also, where’s Walt?

          • brlebu

            My thought was that anyone who wasn’t there either wasn’t “ready” or was still alive.

            The fact that there is no time in their purgatory makes it kind of hard to grasp. That’s why it’s kind of weird that Aaron was there and Walt and Charlie weren’t. But let’s say, for arguments sake, that the scene in the church took place during the year 2070 in the real world. If you think of it that way, it’s easy to think that Walt and Charlie are still alive, but Aaron had died. And for the castaways, it made most sense for Aaron to be in purgatory as a baby.

        • Remus

          I loved the finale! It was beautiful, very emotional, funny, dramatic, symbolic, fantastic music, great island sets, great acting.

          That said, the high number of new questions this season and even this episode is not good. The high number of nonexistent or weak answers is not good.

          This is not a failure of the finale. It was beautiful.

      • Gusteaux

        Koobie: As to your last point: In the Island timeline, Vincent was there so that Jack wouldn’t have to “die alone”.

        • Ament

          I figured thats why Jack laughed at his end and I’m sure the “live together, die alone” was what he was thinking.

          • Naultz

            I thought he was laughing because of the irony of the plane flying overhead.

    • asd

      WATCH THE LAST EPISODE HERE: http://ishareseries.com/lost . HIGH QUALITY!

    • Alex

      Why would Eloise pressured her son to become an expert in the physics of time travel only so that she would shoot him in the past? That contradicts her motherly desire to hold on to her son, preventing him from joining the other losties recently made aware of their past lives and present death.

      • naultz

        I think she was hoping that if he learned enough about physics and time travel he might figure out a way to change things so that he wouldn’t die, which led to his death. a nice hearty spoonful of irony.

  • Rosie

    The ending was a metaphor for us crazy fans to let go. We made it here together and we are now ready for whats next. What is next you might ask? Whatever you want to it to be. 🙂

    • Koobie

      I also like that it could stand for Lost, as a show, is stepping into the Light. No TV show has ever been like it before, and what happens to its fans, its mythology, and its legacy from here could be anyone’s guess.

      • Widmore’s Bane

        I vote copy show spin-off with Sawyer and Miles, mixed with some Hurley/Ben antics under the island’s new management.

        • Widmore’s Bane

          “cop” show rather

        • MacCutcheon

          I’m thinking Ben in the light tower yelling – “ze plane! ze plane!” and hurley in a white suit… hmmm…

  • katherine

    well, it was an unexpected finale…and hopefully i will be able to say more once i grasp everything that’s inside it. Thnaks for this post. Keep ’em all coming soon!
    By the way, who’s Annie?

    • Koobie

      A really obscure reference, hah.

      http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Annie

    • Desi’s Brother

      Annie was a person we all spent WAY to much time wondering about who turned out to have zero significance to the show. She was stated by the writers to be one of the most important people in Ben’s life and yet nothing ever came of her. We imagined her to be the secret to just about every mystery on the island at some point of another. So much for that.

      • Brendan McGrath

        I think originally the writers may have had more plans or ideas for Annie, but that they ended up dropping them — from the DVD commentary on #3-20 “The Man Behind the Curtain,” I think that’s pretty obvious, despite that later interview where they tried to explain it away. It’s not really a plot hole or anything, since it works just as what it is, but just from the commentary it seems they did nevertheless have more planned.

        What they really should have done is have Ilana turn out to be Annie (though they would’ve had to either explain the changed appearance, or cast someone different). And from interviews, it seems that Ilana was originally intended to play a more significant role as well.

        • Desi’s Brother

          The death of Illana is a real issue for this show. She was the most purposeless character. We knew almost nothing about her. She spent her entire life training to defend the candidats only she gets blown up for being stupid with dynamite. Bam. The end. That’s it for your life. No redemption. She doesn’t even get to move on to the other world she is stuck being a lawyer. (I guess the thing she always wanted to do with her life and never got the chance. Instead she was just used and abused by the island.)

          • Ament

            I sort of agree, except it was her who grabbed the ashes which led to Jack’s inaugeration to be Jacob. Now Caesar was pointless.

      • dp2

        She WAS one of the most important people in Ben’s life. It’s not the writers’ fault if you thought that meant she was running the Island

      • s.w.a.c.

        “How’s Annie? How’s Annie?…”

        Reminds me of another long-awaited, highly divisive series finale…

      • Noah

        the sign. of them being in a pew all looking forward…. what do you see when your sitting in that position you se what your concept of a Higher Power is and what your interpertation is I thought it was nic e that they left it up to you to decide. I belive there was layer upon layer each one leading them to a higher level of conscienceness and clarifcation of the meaning of it all.

      • Henry Holland

        Remember that quick scene before Ben leaves to help with the Purge where he picks up Annie’s wooden doll? I’ve always assumed that she died in childbirth, with Ben’s child, that’s why he was obsessed with the issue.

        OK, so say that’s in the ballpark, story wise. They could have dealt with it in 30 seconds, say by having Ben say to Juliet when he first brings her to the Island “This is personal to me. The person I loved most died during childbirth here on the Island, so I’d like to prevent that happening to other people”. Something like that, it wouldn’t need a flashback or a whole episode, but it would wrap up a storyline in a way consistent with the story.

  • Jenn Clark

    What if David was Sawyer & Kate’s son in the regular reality and that’s how he was “put” into the alternate reality/heaven?

    • Desi’s Brother

      Um what?

    • dp2

      Oh, those Skaters.

    • Andre

      Impossible, if so then in the purgatory, Kate would have been with Sawyer.

      • Ament

        I agree, it was a Jate and Suliet closure, sorry Skaters.

  • Desi’s Brother

    I hope that when the dust settles people really think about what this ending means for the show. It is a huge disappointment.

    I just don’t understand how anyone can say that was the perfect ending. It was so profoundly unsatisfying in terms of the mythology and getting ANSWERS!!!!!

    So the alternate flash-sideways is just an imaginary intermediate-purgatory like world where these characters meet up to move on to heaven. What? So really nothing that happened in that world has any actual significance. The island world if the real world and this is just a meeting place after death.

    So when Juliette blew herself up, she was not creating an alternate universe she was just creating this imaginary place. What a meaningless death. Guys, she just blew herself up. Nothing actually came of that. They would have probably had some imaginary place whether she killed herself or not.

    As much as I was happy to see Shannon and Sayid together as we really to believe that Sayid would “meet up” with Shannon rather than Nadia? Could he not have met up with both of them?

    So the whole Kate and Sawyer thing comes to nothing essentially. In the imaginary world they just flirt with each other and have a hug later on. So I guess they didn’t end up together after getting home in the island-reality.

    Why would Claire want to have an this imaginary-purgatory world without her son Aaron as an adult?

    Same thing for Penny and Desmond? Where is adult Charlie?

    Where was Mr. Eko in the alt-timeline?

    What about Michael? Walt? If it is imaginary then Walt needn’t be a child, he could have been revealed as an adult at the end.

    What about all the other people like Illana in the island-reality, was she just a means for other people’s souls to get what they needed out of life? What about all the other people on the island who died?

    • Desi’s Brother

      Who in this imaginary world is “REAL” and who isn’t. David isn’t real. Is this Helen real? Is this Nadia the real Nadia? Mrs. Hawkings appears to be the real Mrs. Hawkings. But does that mean Widmore was not the real Widmore?

      Why isn’t Helen going with him? Unless she didn’t really love him and this was just “imaginary” Helen, like David was just imaginary.

      What was the point of imagining having a child with Juliette? Why not imagine having a child with Kate? Surely they could just imagine a world were they were together all along?

      Why was Hurley in this imaginary world? Isn’t he immortal now and guarding the island?

      So the whole Kate and Sawyer thing comes to nothing essentially. In the imaginary world they just flirt with each other and have a hug later on. So I guess they didn’t end up together after getting home in the island-reality.

      • i42

        Too many questions – you’re missing the point of the finale and I hope that when the dust settles and you can rewatch the show, you see it for what it is.

        Just to answer a few obvious questions – no Hurley was not immortal. Everyone dies as Christian said. Some before some after, but at some point, everyone will “let go”.

        This show has always been about Jack. It started with him, followed his downfall and rise and ended with his death. What matters is the journey and the people he’s had it with. Lost took us on a brilliant ride over the past 6 years and leaving the ending open to interpretation is perfect for what the show ultimately was.

        You can interpret the last 10 minutes however you want. Maybe that church (and that reality) exists in every reality, even for a microsecond and its what people pass through when they die. Or it can mean that every single character on the island “woke up” in the alternate reality when they died on the island. And they got to share the briefest of moments together before moving on to whatever you believe waits for people when they die. Or maybe Jack died during the plane crash on the island in season 1. Maybe the alternate reality was his ideal life. Or maybe everything that happened really happy and the characters really died when the bomb went off on the island. The whole point is for us fans to debate and talk, much like we have all season. A concrete closed off ending would’ve been boring, never satisfied anyone and stripped the spirit of Lost. This has always been a show that’s motivated passionate discussion and the ending kept with that.

        Sure there’s many things they left unanswered (some of which they said that they’d answer – like the food drops) but that’s unimportant to me after this finale.

        I know how I viewed the ending. It makes sense and my heart is satisfied. That’s all I care about and although I’ve been lukewarm about Season 6, I’ve loved the show and I loved the ending.

        • i42

          I meant “everything that happened really happened” not “happened that happy”…sorry, I’m dead tired.

        • AstroJones

          Very well said i42.

        • Desi’s Brother

          maybe, this maybe that. Do you realize how many interpretations you have. How can all those things be true?

          • i42

            Those were some ideas I’m throwing around. Yes, there’s probably a dozen different permutations, that’s the point I was trying to make. I don’t understand why that’s a bad thing.

            The one thing I would’ve loved to have known is the answer to the question of why the island was so special. That’s a question that drove me on with the show across all seasons and to have it brushed aside is a bit unsatisfying. Jacobs explanation on why the characters were all so important was also a bit flat and unimpressive.

            Now, I maintain and still feel that the finale was brilliant. As I said before, it’s the season overall that I felt a bit lukewarm about. The finale was fully about the characters as it alwasy should’ve been. I’m not sure why they wasted a good 10 episodes or so during the season (like, what was the point of the Dogen thing and the temple folk for example)when they could’ve closed off of a few loose ends or given key episodes the leg room they deserved (Across the Sea is a case in point – it felt rushed and forced. I’d much rather have had a proper history of Jacob and MIB’s lives on the island post-the golden cave incident than that Island Temple stuff).

          • johr77

            The one thing I would’ve loved to have known is the answer to the question of why the island was so special.

            it was special because that’s where the plane crashed…. nothing more.

        • solchron

          On reflection, having a dead drunk reveal the meaning of Lost at the end of the final episode wasn’t such a good idea.

          • Mr. X

            Desi’s brother is right.

            And I want to caution folks who are saying it’s a great ending.

            Saying the ending of Lost is great will be like saying the Macarena is your favorite song of all time.

            I urge you to say it as publicly and as visibly as possible so it can be taken down for posterity.

          • Prudence

            Mr. X,

            I believe it all comes down to you accepting that some people will always love the Macarena, even when all your arguments point out that it sucks.

            I don’t think – or rather don’t have the necessary knowledge of television fiction to say that – this was the greatest finale of all times, or even the best way to end Lost. But did I like it? Yes. Did it touch me? Yes. And for me that’s all that matters in the end. I don’t really care if the rest of the world doesn’t share the same opinion. I’m good with what I got, and I’m sorry that you and others can’t feel the same way. 🙂

            (And, BTW, I love the Macarena too. Deal with it, lol.)

        • johr77

          “You can interpret the last 10 minutes however you want.

          it can mean that every single character on the island “woke up” in the alternate reality when they died on the island. ”

          i interpret the last 10 mins as no one ever survived the crash, so noone ever died on the island.

          i also interpret a very very sad ending to what they could have done so much more with.
          they should have grabbed a fan theory, and ran with it.

          also they should had just kept quiet and never said anything (don’t admit it but damn sure don’t deny it for 6 years), after most people thought that it was what it was after the pilot.

    • Wanda

      Michael said on Jimmy Kimmel that he was still on the island whispering.

      I didn’t understand why Penny would be there. She was never on the island, and she didn’t die.

      • AstroJones

        Penny was there because of her importance to Desmond. And she did die, eventually. She didn’t have to die on the island to be there.

        • The Mantis

          Right, like Christian told Jack, “Many before you, some long after you”.

          • Coraline

            Ok. Then why wasn’t Desmond and Penny’s child there?

          • Ament

            @Coraline The reason why we don’t see everyone can have many possibilities. Occam’s Razor suggests either people weren’t there cause they haven’t died yet, or didn’t need a purgatory and moved right on.

      • KerriBeeLost

        Penny spent years searching for Desmond on the Island- it was probaly the most important years of her life. As to their child, one could hope that his life had more defining moments than the “drama” his parents endured.

        • Coraline

          Come on! We don’t know WHEN Penny and Desmond died. They could have lived to be very old and lived a long life with Charlie. The fact that he wasn’t there was glaring. This makes me think it might have been Jack’s “purgatory.” This getting together was from his perspective. Because there is no way that the outcome of Penny and Desmond’s struggle to reunite would not be there with his parents if it were THERE purgatories.

          • Coraline

            excuse me…*their*

          • Ament

            It’s not that hard to understand, Des stayed for Jack, Penny stayed for Des, if Charlie died then it’s assumed he moved on.

          • Coraline

            Well then doesn’t that speak to the fact that it was Jack’s purgatory? If Des stayed for Jack, Penny stayed for Des? That’s kind of my point. The church scene was a coming together for all the characters to move on but there is the possibility that it was from Jack’s perspective.

    • Mack

      People believe it was perfect ending because after investing six years of their lives to a television show they want it to be, need it to be perfect. The ending was to reminiscent of Titanic-I said this before and it was deleted. On many levels the finales was very satisfying and I wasn’t expecting any major revelations. At this point all you can do is let go and move on. The show is over.

      • Lego

        I agreee. This ending has so many logical holes to it you could drive a truck through it. Sure it fits the “spirit” of Lost, but I think it really is a cop out on the writers part. People wanted answers and some sort of logical way to connect everything that happened. If you examine this ending closely and its implications, it just doesn’t make sense.

        • Tom

          Seriously? I have found plenty plausible answers for most of the mysteries in the show to be satisfied that I didn’t need somebody to hit me over the head with it. What I really needed from the finale was a resolution of the redemption stories that were central to the show from the beginning. Who cares about why Walt was special? He hasn’t been on the show for 4 years! Get over it! The answers are there in the story at a level that is relevant to their significance for the story. The writers did something unique: challenge the intellect of its viewers, instead of dumbing it down for people who don’t know how to think for themselves.

      • Lego

        I agree. This ending has so many logical holes to it you could drive a truck through it. Sure it fits the “spirit” of Lost, but I think it really is a cop out on the writers part. People wanted answers and some sort of logical way to connect everything that happened. If you examine this ending closely and its implications, it just doesn’t make sense.

        • brlebu

          First off, what do you want answered?

          Second, when has LOST ever been logical?

          • Desi’s Brother

            Some of us had hoped that in the end it would somehow all come together an make sense. It doesn’t.

            I think the characters are resolved, which is great. The logical consistency of the show is not resolved.

          • brlebu

            I can understand being dissatisfied with the finale, but I can’t understand how the story itself doesn’t make sense. That’s what I’m trying to figure out here.

            For those of you who were dissatisfied, how would you have liked to see it end?

            PS – I also can’t understand how you can bring up “logical consistency” when we’re talking about a show that involves time traveling, alternate realities and a magical light source that needs to be protected.

          • johr77

            For those of you who were dissatisfied, how would you have liked to see it end?

            somewhat different than a plane crashed and people couldn’t let go.

            they could have left it as jack waking up after he had to many beers and i would have been just as satisfied as i am now.. which is none.

          • The problem is that the show went against it’s own logic. The writers seemed to do what was convenient, not what made sense within their world.

            For example, why did Sayid end up with Shannon when Nadia was clearly established throughout the series as his soul mate. (Just a few episodes ago, Sayid even said that he was working with Smokey b/c Smokey said he could bring Nadia back to life.) IMO, Sayid ended with Nadia because the writers needed a way to bring Shannon (and thus Boone) back for the finale.

            Second, why didn’t Jack suffer a fate “worse than death” for going into the cave? We just established that that’s what happens, but they changed the rules for no rhyme or reason.

            I am willing to suspend disbelief on just about anything, but writers have to be consistent within the world that they establish.

          • CaptainStimpy

            Tyler: When Sayid made the deal w/ MIB he never did specifie what he wanted back, Just said “he wants back what he lost”. I think he just wanted to be loved.
            Look @ the situations where MIB & Jack went into the light cave. Both had a different outcomes, obviously there was a reason for that. So you have to think to yourself ‘what was the differences between the two that would produce a different outcome’? Could the difference be that Jack was still tecnically a protector of the island? I think so. When he made Hurely the protector he said “you are now like me”. There are at least 3 more differences I can think of that would work as an answer, but the one I stated is the most logical to me.
            You can use this same kind of approach to answering most of the unanswered questions yourself.

    • Widmore’s Bane

      I was into the mythology as much as anyone else, constantly theorizing and debating the signficance of the mythology and science on the island. While many of my questions went unanswered, none of them were critical to the outcome or my enjoyment of the series. I thought the ending was perfect. I trust some of the lingering items will be addressed later via commentary, but even if they aren’t, I can live with it.

      Life has more questions than answers. That’s kind of the point. Get used to it. What truly matters is how we choose to live life and the people we share it with.

      If you were paying attention, that has been the point all along. The rest was just interesting back-drop.

      • brlebu

        “While many of my questions went unanswered, none of them were critical to the outcome or my enjoyment of the series … Life has more questions than answers. That’s kind of the point. Get used to it. What truly matters is how we choose to live life and the people we share it with.”

        Perfect.

      • jon

        That’s not a story that needs 6 seasons to tell.

        • CaptainStimpy

          Really? That’s a big one in the scheme of the human condition if you ask me.
          What were ‘War & peace’, ‘The Illiad’, amoung many other large texts really about? Think about it.

    • jet7111

      I think one of the major things your failing to see here and I don’t know if your gonan like it or not but it is what it is, but this story lost was essential in a way told from the perspective of jack at times. Those people in the church were the ones the most closet to Jack in his most important part of his life. Michale is there because he died and his soul is on the island according to Harold. Jack never knew Naida. It was essential the 815’ers that why there was no Miles, Richard, Chesty (Frank), and others. You may not like this perspective but I’m going to trust the one I heard from Matthew Fox over anybody elses but in a away it’s all up to our interputation and imagination and thats what darlton said it would be. Everything is not clear cut but enough was.

  • maria

    The finale was awesome and the series was awesome. Worth every minute. The island or flashsideways was not purgatory. They all mostly died on the island and created that sideways timeline thing as a place for them to reunite once they were all dead and ready to move on. Just like in Titanic, they formed a bond by being on the island and wanted to be together at the end. If the sideways timeline had turned out to be true one, then the whole series, or life on the island, would never had taken place. The finale fit the show perfectly because all the connections they made on the island moved on with them at the end. All the reunions were awesome.

    • The Mantis

      “The island or flashsideways was not purgatory.” How can you say that with such certainty? They left it up to interpitation, but that’s the most logical explanation as far as I can tell. Not the Island, but the Flashsideways.

      • Miss Mojofan

        Exactly. My first, gut reaction was that all the Losties on the island when the A-bomb went off died right then. The alternaverse and island-verse were existing simultaneously…and the island-verse was their true opportunity for the redemption of their souls. They all became better people on the island, and made better choices.

        I also believe that this story was Jack’s along. Just like Star Wars had dozens of great characters and plot-lines, the story was that of the rise, fall, and redemption of Annakin Skywalker.

  • Aldo lover

    The finale basically answered none of the questions I had going into watching the episode. That being said, I found it pretty amazing.

    • Julio Zuletta

      I agree entirely, but to me the finale made the questions it didn’t answer inconsequential. What happened to the people who flew off in the Ajira plane and how Hugo’s reign as the new Jacob went don’t matter. All that matters in the end are the sacrifices the castaways made in their real (island) lives, and the awakening they experience in the afterlife (FS world). After all, as much as I love the mythology of Lost, I care much more about the characters than I do about what would have happened if Flocke left the island. To paraphrase Jacob’s mother, every answer leads to another question, so why get hung up on answers when “The End” was this darn emotionally satisfying?

      • Hipster Doofus

        Exactly. After the profundity of that finale, I don’t care about the unanswered questions anymore. Its bigger than that.

        • chadwick

          Amen!

      • Ament

        It was awesome in the build up and the payoff was well worth it. A truly great fantasy epilogue to the lives of the people with a mind blowing spin. They waited for each other to move on, how intense is that.

  • bruinonfire

    Something strange happened to me a few episodes into season six.

    I finally heard, finally understood, what Dartlon meant when they said that this show was fundamentally about the characters, their struggles, and their relationships with one another.

    I spent hours–HOURS–trying to calculate the precise amount of time dilation between the freighter and the boat in season four. I re-watched episodes trying to decipher the “rules” that Ben and Whidmore referenced. I even delved back into my college philosophy textbooks trying to make naive, allegorical relationships between certain characters, their arcs, and their philosophical namesakes.

    Now I see that these and the other mysteries were dramatic devices, tropes deployed by the writers to create a weird, rich backdrop that brought me back week after week. Had you asked me at the end of season two whether I wanted to know what happened to the rest of the four-toed statue, I would have laughed. As if that was even a question! Of COURSE I wanted to know! What a CHEAT it would have been if the writers left that question unanswered.

    Well, we found out a few weeks ago and…and it gave me a little chuckle. An “oh yeah…THAT…I forgot about that…” moment.

    I forgot because the show was never really about the mysteries of the Island. It was never really about explaining Dharma Drops and Hurley Birds and the phlebotinum that “explains” Walt’s powers or the physics of the Donkey Wheel or whatever. This was a show about letting go of the past, letting go of pride. It’s about asking for help and banding together to bring out the best in ourselves and in one another.

    I get why people might be frustrated not to know every little detail, or even some of the BIG details, but we were instead witness to a series of dark, difficult personal journeys come to a close. Very rarely does a television series do so with such honesty, elegance, and, to boot, total surprise (at least to this poster).

    Congrats to everyone who worked on LOST for a job well done, and I hope that all of us might take a lesson from the show and think about the profound intellectual community we have formed because of the show rather than dwell upon our pet peeves and personal disagreements.

    • Julio Zuletta

      Thanks for saying what I tried to much more eloquently than I ever Could!

    • Mr. Brian

      You really hit it there! Perfect!

    • celestiall

      Amen, brotha! It was incredible. You said it all.

    • Juliet’s Sagging Cleavage

      Word.

    • adam118

      well said

    • Hipster Doofus

      Excellent! Perfect! I had that revelation, too! It was almost like the “flash” of awakening in the flashsidewayses.

      Sort of an “Oh! None of that matters. What matters is the *people.* That’s what they’ve been saying all along!”

      Yes, that’s a copout for people who devoted energy to the mythology, like I myself once did, but this *entire* season I stopped theorizing and simply enjoyed the ride.

      What’s amazing is that now that its all said and done…its almost like Film Noir. We know its about the people and the interactions more than anything. Being able to go back and watch the whole series and simply focus on that, and the way the mythology affects them…its going to be amazing.

      • jon

        I hope that makes you think that the writers wated a lot of time with completely unnecessary details and plot lines. They series could have easily been condensed into two seasons if the importance of the story the whole time had been what the importance of the story was at the end.

    • Artie Deco

      It’s just revisionism to say the show was never about the mysteries. That is SO untrue. It was just as much about the mysteries as it was about the characters–until this season, when everything that was good about LOST was jettisoned in favor of a feel-good ending. Bleh. (I know that I’ll be attacked for saying that by those who are too socially inept to discuss a topic without insulting those with whom they disagree, but I don’t care.)

      • CaptainStimpy

        I think the mysteries were devices use by the writers to give the characters interesting situations to work out their issues – to use as a backdrop to the human condition.
        The mysteries (as well) where like the huge stuffed animal outfront of a carnival game to lure people in. As much as we would love to win the huge stuffed animal, we all know it was impossible to win it.
        I hope I made my point clear (maybe not).

    • Jacob’s Revenge

      Oh, and don’t forget to list how wanton murder, duplicity, and betrayal was so necessary in all these relationships you guys seem to value so much.

      • Jonny

        Perhaps the role of “Across The Sea” was not only to reveal some island secrets but to show us that we cared much more about the characters than we every thought.

        I know after watching “Across The Sea” I realized how much I missed seeing the characters I’ve learned to care about for six seasons. And I think at that point, I decided that I was more invested in the fates of these characters than I was in figuring out all of the island’s mysteries.

        Maybe it was Darlton’s idea for some of us to “hate” this big REVEALING episode… so that in the end, we would care more about the characters (the part of Lost that is most important) than any of its’ mystery.

    • Wendy

      I agree! When the show took its eye off of the core characters and the dynamics between them, it was never as good as it was when they were the focus. Deciphering the island, struggling for dominance and direction, interacting with one another – it was always primarily about the core characters.

    • Luddite

      This. This is what I’ve been trying to say since LA X, so thank you.

    • Desi’s Brother

      It is utterly lame to suggest that this show has never really been about the mysteries. bull. Watch some other drama show if all you want it character development.

      It has always been about BOTH the characters and the mysteries. The characters were resolved, the mysteries were not. I don’t need an answer to the Hurley bird, I just wanted the show to make logical sense.

    • chadwick

      The Walt that Locke saw in the jungle wasn’t locke. It was MIB, just as he did to Jack with his father. FLocke tells Jack he pretended to be his father.

  • Jaguar

    Honestly, I was sickened with the ending.

    • Secure

      I would suggest Paxil….try it twice a day for a week. If you feel better, rer-watch, if not?;

      Reminy is the next, more drastic step in getting you to the level of mental heajth to understand the dramatic ending to a weekly television show.

      Otherwise it’s off to Room 23 with youu to watch csi/nics/law & Order/Mentalist in Vegas, Miami, baltimore/san diego/NY with special victims and criminal intent. These shows spell it out every week, offer nothing unsolved and cater to, well..maybe you.

      • sebastian81

        i love how condescending people can get when defending the show. like this show was freaking Joyce’s Ulysses of some sort. it is not, it was hyped and was based on a puzzle, mysteries. that’s how they built their fan base. you telling me the audience was endeared by kate’s journey during the first season? no, they threw polar bears and dharma stations, and special kids and pregnancy problems and four toe status and a lady that appears in the time line and tells them they have to get all together and reenact the plane crash to return to the island… and they didn’t feel like explaining most of it. there were several story arcs that were overlooked.

        if you loved the finale, more power to you. i’m very happy for you, i’m envious actually.

        fact is, i didn’t love it, and i feel i have the right like many others to feel disappointed. in my case, i didn’t signed up for a chick flick and that’s apparently what i was unknowingly watching during 6 years. had i known, i wouldn’t have bothered, i liked feeling intellectually challenged plot wise, sadly the show kept throwing deus ex machinas until the very end.

        • celestiall

          I feel very sad for the both of you that you couldn’t enjoy the extraordinary experience that this entire show was. The ending was just the icing on the cake.

          • GodBlessTexas

            I feel sad that some of you can’t accept that while some of us loved the show, we weren’t happy with the last 15 minutes of the finale. We’re not wrong or mentally unstable because we thought that the last 15 minutes of the finale ruined it for us. I would have rather left feeling that they had a chance at happiness and joy in this alternate universe than the fact that it was just purgatory and they had to move on. I’m sorry, that would have made me happy and could have done so without answering any of the tough questions.

          • The Mantis

            True Dat.

        • bruinonfire

          Just consider for a moment what a satisfying ending would have looked like, if your main concern was the resolution of these mysteries. I mean what KIND of resolution you would have wanted, the FORM you would like to have seen.

          Honestly, if what you’re looking for is a something akin to a point-by-point explanation of the how’s and why’s, what you’d end up getting is the sort of thing that pops up in a lot of mystery novels/movies, i.e. the detective gathering up all of the main players, laying out what is known, and filling in the gaps that give a complete picture.

          Now, I’ll admit, I’m as much of a fan of a good puzzle-style, fair-play mystery as anyone, but I think LOST revealed itself to be WAY too big for that sort of thing. You would have needed the KING of all Deus ex Machinas–quite literally, a god figure sitting down and saying, “So, here’s what the island is, here’s what life’s all about, and here’s how YOUR lives intersected those two concepts…”–to pull it off.

          Darlton jokingly referred to the “Joop Ending” in one of their podcasts as a sort of failsafe in case both of them died before the show’s completion. In it, Joop, a talking orangutan, would sit down in a big leather chair and explain each of the island’s mysteries in turn. Granted, I’d LOVE to see this as a DVD bonus feature, but that wouldn’t be satisfying, at least to me.

          Think back to the Apollo space missions. Yeah, there’s a lot of cool science and engineering involved, and NASA’s given the world some pretty cool technology. But given the choice between deciphering every bit of printed material in NASA’s logs, and actually SEEING, EXPERIENCING Armstrong’s first steps on the moon, I’ll take that literally AWESOME moment of human accomplishment over a thorough understanding of the technology behind it any day.

          I’m really sorry to hear that you’re disappointed. I am. And I don’t think that this is Ulysses, but nor do I think that this is a chick flick. Mysteries and all, this story was about sacrifice, community, and redemption.

          And who knows? I’m still holding out hope for a LOST spin-off that expands on the Hurley-Sawyer roommate situation in New Otherton. Next week: Hurley’s brought home a new roommate–a puppy!–but when he finds out Sawyer’s allergic, can he keep the little scamp a secret?

          Hilarity ensues…

          • JJJJacob

            I’d watch that. I’m also waiting for the Sawyer/Miles cop show, and, more importantly, the Hurley/Ben protector of the island show.

            Actually, in all seriousness, I want that last one in the form of a series of novels. No joke.

          • sebastian81

            Dude, i hear ya. believe me. i gave hope on a satisfying story plot to answer the questions during this season. and that is exactly what i hold against the show. obviously having someone explain everything would’ve been stupid, but that’s the excuse? no! fact is, they didn’t want to explain it. “it grew to big”? dude, they wrote it, they wanted it to grow too big so they could make us forget about the unexplained story arcs.

            season 2: main arcs: walt’s kidnap and the button. both unexplained and meaningless to the story. why kidnap the candidates???

            season 3: focused on the others, completely irrelevant. smoke monster took x rays of people and the others seem pretty mysterious and cool. sadly, it means nothing.

            season 4: everyone trying to return to the island. they do so with the help of daniel’s mom and they all had to be in the same plane…does any of this was important? how? why? makes no sense.

            season 5: the incident, so apparently it did happen, did it created the purgatory? that’s just retarded. if the bomb exploded then the island blew up, but it didn’t. again MAKES NO SENSE.

            even the end, ok, flashsideways is the purgatory but it can be the purgatory for any group of characters in any show. imagine Jack Bauer flashing sideways and reuniting with all the friends who died? that would be ridiculous. somehow for lost it isn’t. bleh.

          • CaptainStimpy

            Sebastian81: The mysteries were nothing but the window dressing to draw you in & get you involved. It worked. Brilliant on the writter’s part. All good storys explore the human experience @ the core. Some couldn’t get past the window dressing, & that’s a shame. Watch it again from the prospective of the human element being what’s important. The mysteries were devices to fleshout the human experience, a backdrop & reason for redemption.
            Besides, most all the mysteries were given enough clues they deserved to challenge you to figure it out on your own. I’ll admit that was the fun part.
            In regards to your “meaningless” aspects of each season.

            Season 2: Walt was taken because he was special & would make a great candidate. The Others soon found out Walt was too much for them to handle. The button’s literal function was explained. It was also a device to explore & challenge the characters (mostly Locke’s) faith.

            Season 3: As to why they kidnapped Jack, Kate, & Sawyer was for Ben’s purpose only. To force Jack to do surgery on Ben’s spine. The other’s culture was examined because it was important to understand in regards to MIB’s “long con” on Locke to achieve his “loophole”. Everytime we saw Smokey, we were shown something new about him/it. They “x-ray” was showing how he read the character minds / motivations. Again, important info inregards to MIB’s long con.

            Season 4: Was actually about the Losties bid to get off the island & how that was the wrong move on Jack’s part. A lot of the island’s ‘nature’ was explained in the process. It also put the characters into a crisis to show more about their ‘character’.

            Season 5: Was about showing the impact Oceanic 6’s leaving the island. Explored more about the island’s history (more answers! Dharma!). Put the Left-behinders in a domestics setting, & expanding on Sawyer’s redemption. Showed how Ben ended up the way he was. Put into motion MIB’s long con on Locke. A lot of reveal of character development across the board. Jack’s transformation towards a ‘man of faith’ – an important step to being the candidate. Jack’s faith being tested by the incident.

            Season 6: Revealed that they had always caused the incident. The bomb explosion accomplished to negate the electormagnetic discharge, & the reason why they had to push a button every 108 minutes. The explosion also pushed the Canidated back to 2007, & did not create the sideways world. Season 6 gave us a lot of answers & finalized a lot of character’s redemption stories. S6 showed us MIB’s purpose of the long con & his execution of his plan, as well as Jacob’s counter plan. Christian stated that the Losties created the sideways world to be together after they died (at least the ones that gained redemption). Perhaps it was a gift granted by the island (or the light) for saving all of creation. Yes, this idea would be totally out of theme for 24, it wasn’t that kind of show & didn’t explore these kind of issues. However Lost was about faith & that redemption can’t be gained w/ out community.
            Sorry for being a bit simplistic, long winded & containing typos. I was trying to prove to sebastian81 that it all had a purpose, it just wasn’t the purpose that he was looking for or expecting. I do however respect your opinions. I was trying give you my take on it. Take care.

        • adam118

          Dude, don’t call it a chick flick. I hate chick flicks.

          • sebastian81

            i hate them too, but come on, characters cried every other scene, there were like 10 different reunions, each with their own kisses, hugs and tears, we even witnessed a zombie baby birth!!!!!!!! it felt like i was watching bizarre grey’s anatomy.

    • agreed.

  • Dan

    Amazing ending. Let the speculation end! 😉

  • jackisjacob

    why was the island under water? why did juliete and jack have a kid. i dont get the whole ending. i understand its heaven but no walt, micheal.

    • Dan

      Michael became one of the wisperers – he can’t move on.

      • jackisjacob

        yeah i got that. what about walt

        • Fustrate

          Walt probably didn’t “need” the intermediate place. He didn’t have the big struggles in his life which needed to be fixed. I’m willing to bet that just as Jacob said that he chose people because they were flawed, it was also only the flawed who needed a place to bring order back into themselves.

          • adam118

            Walt grew up too big too fast and they didn’t recast him. Also, my guess is that Eko (the actor) had disputes OR his pride wouldn’t let him move on.

          • chadwick

            Lost used mythology along side the Christian Religion on multiple occassions.

            In the Bible, Jesus Christ says he selects the weak, the flawed, the humble. Jacob parallels with Jesus Christ on this statement that he chose the flawed.

            As far as Eko, Eko already made his peace. Go back and watch that episode when the black smoke killed him. He gave himself to the black smoke after he reconciled.

            As far as Walt, He didnt have anything to reconcile.

    • Brandon

      I agree. So if the island was just a place where people could fix their lives, was there actually something there to protect or was that all part of the metaphor? Was the smoke monster right? What would have happened if he left the island? Was any of the mythology in the show actually real? I think its going to take a while for me to fully understand what exactly happened.

    • Newbie

      The island is underwater in this “Purgatory” Someone above called it – because they have all left it behind – or let it go . . . group no longer needs or struggles with it so in their minds or “Purgatory” seeing the island sunk is a metaphor for it no longer being an obstacle or issue – the END to their story.

      This waiting place – gives them the opportunity to dream of what a life would have or could have been like – until it is time to move on to another place

      But is it really sunk—I think not! The ending as Hurly said to Ben you were an awesome number tow – I took that to mean that Hurley perhaps has passed on the Jacob role to someone new and his time there is done! The island is on a new iteration of leader and Hurley’s time has passed!

      And to answer why weren’t the kids there – simple because the kids have not passed on yet . . . . Perhaps when the kids pass on their parents will be there – leading them to the afterlife like Christian did Jack in the church at the end.

      Michael is not there because he is stuck on the island a whisper now and stuck on the island.

      Ben is not a whisper or we would not have seen him in “Purgatory” – he is not going because he is waiting for someone – some unfinished business perhaps . . . . maybe he is waiting for Alex to wake up???

      Over all in the grand scheme of things this was a great ending! And I would not change a thing!

      • Ament

        Just throwing it out there, even thought it doesn’t matter anymore, MIB wanted to destroy the island by sinking it. That means the death of the island would put it underwater. The flashsideways is everyone’s purgatory, so wouldn’t it also be the island if the the island was a living thing. It was dead along with everyone else. Time doesn’t exist in purgatory stated by Christian, so it could of happened 10k years after Hurley gained control, or a week after he got the island. “Many came before you, some came looooong after you.” but they all waited to leave together, freakin’ deep.

  • Slimchicken

    The two-hour recap reminded me why I fell in love with this show in the beginning. The finale reinforced why I came to be so frustrated with it in the end. So it goes.

    • Dan

      I agree entirely. 🙂

    • GodBlessTexas

      Agreed. I still love the show, but I’m still frustrated about the ending.

  • onemonk

    was it the “island of lost souls” ???????? ……..i think we all got the fact they could be dead,it was the “timelines” that threw us all.They were in “limbo” on the island,they had to make good their mistakes to move into the next step (heaven ??) The ones that “died” on the island moved to their next step (the final time line)…while the ones left just kept on trying to write their wrongs,or fight their demons. Im still not sure about “Whitmore” ??? Trying to move on…or come back ??? nice ending ,and good to know all our “friens” are happy : )

  • Ioannes

    So my interpretation?

    Both the main-show-reality and sideways-world were different iterations on the “Wheel of Life”. When they came into contact with their perfect love from the previous reality and became aware of the whole “Wheel of Life” thing, they were ready to move on to a higher state of being, and those present in the church at the end chose to do so… and were guided by the Christian Shephard.

    The island was the thing that grounded the reality, literally the hub of the worlds – and probably exists in all realities grounding them, a la the “Dark Tower” references: the removal of the cork threatened to destroy that iteration of reality.

    The smoke monster was literally the man who could not let go and thus, rather than come to terms with reality and reaching a spiritual truth became the ultimate nihilist, desiring to destroy everything. I’m sure there’s an analogy in one of the Eastern mythologies somewhere.

    I feel my first ever Lost article coming on!!

    (So… who’s going start writing the Hurley/Ben “Life After Lost” fanfiction?)

    • Newbie

      Hub of the Wheel – awesome!

  • jackisjacob

    WHY WAS THE ISLAND UNDER WATER. I DONT GET THAT.

    • celestiall

      Who said the whole island was underwater? All it showed specifically was the foot statue and we saw the edges of the island fall in the ocean. So who says it wasn’t just that section of island that was underwater?

      • GodBlessTexas

        No, in the first episode of this season we saw the island under water after the turbulence passed and the plane flew over. We saw the barracks and DHARMA compound under water.

        • celestiall

          Oh ok. Thank you. I just remembered the seeing the statue part.

          • jackisjacob

            this is the only thing really getting at me

    • DHalo

      The island is under water because in their reality the island doesn’t matter. They never crash their and their “purgatory lives” are uninfluenced by Jacob in every way.

      • Desi’s Brother

        I agree, I don’t think their needs to be an explanation for why anything in “limbo-land” happened because it is all just an imagined world of their dreams.

  • Chad Geri

    About halfway in I thought to myself, “This is amazing. Who gives a ^$*& about answers?”

    So yeah… I loved it.

    • verylost

      Same here.

    • Prudence

      This.

  • graham

    It was like the ending of titanic. I didn’t like it one bit.

  • AndyB

    I thought it was cool.

    It was a fitting end to their journey.

    And as for all the little questions that you didn’t get answers to,….

    Just let go.

  • Joe

    If you loved Lost for its characters, then you might as well have been watching Grey’s Anatomy or Desperate Housewives or whatever. Lost was supposed to be different. For those of us who loved lost because it was a fascinating puzzle being solved in slow motion, getting to the end only to find the writers didn’t care about the puzzle is insulting. I feel bad for all the people who spent serious time cataloguing all the mysteries on Lostpedia, thinking they were important, when they were just ephemeral thrills tossed into keep us interested enough to watch another week.

    Right now I feel like Ralphie when he decoded Little Orphan Annie’s secret message, only to find out it was a crummy commercial for Ovaltine. Seriously, Lost, I thought I was decoding a secret that would blow mind mind, but all I got was a crummy soap opera.

    • here here

    • DHalo

      Darlton have been saying for weeks that it’s about the characters. If you were paying any attention to that you might’ve realized that something like this was coming.

      • RodimusBen

        More like they’ve been saying it for YEARS. And who ever said that spending time theorizing about all those mysteries was a waste just because they don’t give you the answers? “Let go.”

      • Artie Deco

        It’s that type of condescension that really pisses me off about some LOST fans. “If you were paying any attention?” Screw you.

        • lalli

          Agreed. On what other show would it matter what the writers say outside the show? The show should speak for itself, you shouldn’t have to listen to podcasts to figure out what the writers are trying to say.

          It’s okay that people were disappointed.

  • ireadsometimes

    My personal take on the ending was that the nuke at the end of season 5 did create an alternate universe where the island was destroyed; therefore, the world was destroyed as was said in previous seasons; hence the button needing to be pressed every 108 seconds, the danger of the monster leaving the island, etc. So it follows that the island being destroyed means everyone in that alternate reality was dead but just didn’t know it, and needed to remember their other life to crossover since they were in a “purgatory” of sorts. Now having said that, the island plot (seasons 1-5 and the non flashsideways portion of season 6) was not purgatory but one narrative about these characters. The beauty of the ending and the flashsideways plot was that it showed that in the end we are with those that matter, and what happens only mattered because we shared it with people we love.

    • Hipster Doofus

      Exactly. Our characters, as we knew them, were always the same, always alive, always NOT in purgatory. They did survive the original plane crash.

      The flash-sideways were eternal. They all woke up within a very quick period of time, yet they all died at different times, including, as was implied, Hugo and Benjamin, who died much later.

      • Wanda

        Still, where did David Shepherd come from in all of this? Besides Jack’s dying imagination?

      • Samuel

        Sorry but I don’t agree I believe that the writers were saying that they never survived the initial plane crash. That is why the end credits rolled with pics of the 815 wreckage with no survivors and Jack went back to his initial spot of the pilot to die.

        • Luddite

          Christian told Jack that the his time on the island was the most important thing he did in his life (paraphrasing, of course). In his life, while he was alive. I interpreted the shots of the beach at the end as just that – shots of the beach. Not part of the story, which ended when Jack closed his eyes – a natural ending for a story that began with Jack opening his eyes.

          • Miss Mojofan

            Funny…I interpreted the shots of the beach at the end as the Ajira 316 flight, showing that they never escaped…that Lapidas never got it off the ground, and the rest died in that crash…leaving only Ben and Hurley. That may be crazy–feel free to dissect.

    • Artie Deco

      No, no, no. The ending made it clear that there WAS no alternate reality. Season six, off-island, took place in the afterlife.

  • lost_in_eire

    Some of the negative comments floating around are a disgrace, i thought the ending was beautiful and it really felt like a proper goodbye to the characters!

    people are over obsessing about answers, lost was always about the characters and relationships developed in the show. the island mysteries were just an added bonus!

    stop hating and show appreciation for the greatest television show of out generation

    thank you darlton!!!!

    • Joe

      You sound like the kind of low-IQ clown that watches soap operas and goes to see popcorn movies. Lost was more than just soap opera with human drama, it was about an island with crazy mysteries. That is what made Lost. Viewers like you are the reason I rarely watch TV anymore, because the networks have to dumb down all their shows to please you.

      • Lost_in_eire

        yes it was about the island mysteries but it was mainly about the characters! this has been clear from the first episode of the show!

        • so what in hurley’s character makes him apt to be the Real One? why does ben wait outside the church? is that how mIb dies? Really??

          • Other Joe

            -Hurley cares for others, just as Jack said. Makes him a perfect fit for the job.
            -Although Ben had his redeeming moments, he’s still done a lot of wrong. He could be waiting for Alex, for Rousseau, (for Annie, lol)
            -Were you expecting the five-point palm exploding heart technique to kill MIB? Seriously…

          • Tom

            Hurley follows his heart, which is why Jack was willing to follow him earlier in the season. Ben is clearly waiting outside for Alex, who he will probably make remember the island & she would join him. How would you want MiB to die? His powers were stripped when Desmond removed the rock that acted like a giant bathtub stopper to keep the electromagnetic properties on the island. I’d rather have MiB die this way than the corny Michael Bay way some people were expecting; Jack turning into a white smoke monster to battle the evil black smoke monster. That’s the kind of thing the show was against. They let MiB die as a man & not a god. Same thing with Jack. He gave Hurley the powers, which stripped them from himself, which is why he died rather than lived.

            Look at it this way, The Sopranos NEVER answered one question in the history of the entire series, yet people still look at it as it being an excellent show. There were plot lines in that show that were never answered the following season. We still don’t know where the Russian mob guy went after being in the Pine Barrens. Lost wasn’t about the mysteries or questions, those were just to drive the narrative along, it was about the characters on an island with mystical properties. Anyone who thinks that the show wasn’t about the characters and their relationships with each other as friends or lovers was just watching the show superficially. It it wasn’t about the characters, the show would have been as one-dimensional as Gilligan’s Island & no one would have given a damn when any character died.

          • I can understand the Hurley switch, but am curious as to what exactly he’ll be protecting, assuming that the island is rebooting and could possibly fall into the ocean? Or maybe it’s just shedding a little.

            I love that ben could be waiting for alex (or, to a lesser degree) rousseau.

            Neh, I didn’t expect any crazy cgi, though I didn’t really feel like I saw the death of a 2000 year old spirit who’d just had his long con succeed and then immediately bite him in the ass.

      • Other Joe

        Wow… really? “Low-IQ clowns” are what having a human connection to the beautifully written characters makes me? Well, consider me Bozo then. It’s viewers like you that I pity when you have to be spoon-fed bate to watch a show, and can’t emotionally connect to humankind.

      • Chris

        Dude… you sound like a dickhead.

      • CaptainStimpy

        Really Joe? How many popcorn movies have you seen & left the theater bitching about the movie having too much character develpment? In many ways Lost has some characteristics of a soap opera. Believe it or not, you can have good character development & an intriguing plot. Seems to me that people like you are the reason Tv is dumbed & spoon fed all the answers & skip the human element so that it is “manly enough”. Getting the human element right is the hard part & most satisfying for the viewer. Think out your comments before you post them next time Bubba.

  • dd

    I absolutely loved the finale. I can see it being disappointing to the clueheads/ANSWERtards who never had any kind of grasp on the story.

    I do have one question, though: how are Monique and all the crazy shippers responding the Jack + Kate? Are they still going to insist they have a better bearing on the story than the rest of us?

    • GodBlessTexas

      You recognize the irony of saying some of us don’t have a grasp on the story while at the same time trash-talking someone else who espoused the exact same opinion, right?

      We were always told that the Island was a character on the show, yet it remains the most mysterious character, and I can’t help but wonder why we spent so much time on those mysteries when in the end they seem totally irrelevant to the story as it ended. I feel bad for anyone who can’t accept that for some of us, the Island and its mysteries were a compelling part of the story, and we had some expectation about some of those mysteries being answered based upon the trickle of answers we got over time. I loved LOST holistically, but I feel that the sci-fi and island mystery parts of the plot were nothing more than a gimmick of convenient plot device.

      • dd

        That is not “irony.” It’s not even related. So much that my readings, you know, based on the story, not my sexual fantasy, have been accurate.

    • Drew G.

      “Answertards?” dd, you are, as always, a complete a-hole. The best thing about LOST ending is no longer seeing all of your rude, condescending posts.

      • The Mantis

        dd, now that LOST is over are you going to be forced to leave your mom’s basement and try having interactions with real people? Maybe even try sex for the first time? That is if you can find someone as miserable in their own existence to actually relate to you.

        • dd

          Maybe I’ll get around to it after you begin to understand the failings of really boring accusations. That’s as bad as the whole “you’re a misogynist” deal someone people have been throwing around on this board.

          But really, I want to know how some of the shipper weirdos are responding to this.

  • GodBlessTexas

    I think one thing is clear about what the finale accomplished: it divided the fan base almost completely upon the lines in which you enjoyed the show. If you enjoyed the character driven/relationship aspect of LOST, then you probably loved the finale. If you loved LOST for the mysteries and puzzles that played out, then you probably feel cheated. Personally, I loved it for both aspects, so I did enjoyed the finale even though I feel cheated by so many of the mysteries never being answered. I’m a 6’3″ tall, 300+ lb linebacker sized guy who looks like he’d break you in half, and I spent a decent bit of the time with my eyes watering because I was happy that so many of the relationship aspects were seemingly resolved. But, I mistakenly thought they were resolved by these flash-sideways alternate universe LOSTies finally getting a shot at the happiness they were denied in the Island world, only to have the rug pulled out from under me when we discover that they’re not different LOSTies at all; they’re the ghosts of those Losties. Honestly, if they had cut the end church scenes and left everything else intact, I’d have been completely happy with the ending, even with its neglect of the mysteries. But them all being dead and just moving on brings me no joy, likely due to my religious beliefs about the afterlife.

    • GodBlessTexas

      You recognize the irony of saying some of us don’t have a grasp on the story while at the same time trash-talking someone else who espoused the exact same opinion, right?

      We were always told that the Island was a character on the show, yet it remains the most mysterious character, and I can’t help but wonder why we spent so much time on those mysteries when in the end they seem totally irrelevant to the story as it ended. I feel bad for anyone who can’t accept that for some of us, the Island and its mysteries were a compelling part of the story, and we had some expectation about some of those mysteries being answered based upon the trickle of answers we got over time. I loved LOST holistically, but I feel that the sci-fi and island mystery parts of the plot were nothing more than a gimmick of convenient plot device.

      • DHalo

        I can sympathize. I watched the show almost completely for its mystery and intrigue. The Dharma Initiative has always been of interest in my mind.

        I, however, went into the finale open-minded, with no ending pre-conceived (as I really had no idea where it was going and just to be told), and no expectation of having my questions answered, exact as Darlton told me to.

        The ending of the show, while really changing the outlook of the previous season, really shifted me from caring about the mystery to caring about the characters. For me, the finale’s closing scenes were THAT powerful.

        In retrospect, everything that they went through really DIDN’T happen for a reason. They all suffered because of Jacob’s naivete, and basically were brought there to fix his mistakes, which was simply the death of one person.

        This finale, in retrospect, really dampens the mystery aspect of the show. It blatantly says, “This stuff REALLY doesn’t matter all that much.” And oddly enough I’m okay with that. Because even as I realized that these people suffered for absolutely no good reason, seeing them all together, reunited, made me see that the suffering and the pain was ok with all of them, because they had found each other, and that was what was important to them. And thus, it became important to me.

      • dd

        Learn what “irony” means dude(ette).

    • lalli

      I completely agree. Although I do believe in an afterlife, I was still severely disappointed. It felt like all the emotions I had about the flash-sideways universe and all the time I spent contemplating it was wasted because none of it was real.

  • martin

    People who hate Lost or hated its ending is because they never found out what the true island’s purpose was, or how some guy can turn into a smoke monster, or how drinking magic water makes you immortal. Writer’s never addressed these sorts of questions that the show brought up leaving these people angered.

    People who love Lost and loved its ending is because the show took them through an epic adventure through a lot of well developed characters lives and saw them all come together to live in eternal bliss. They didn’t need to know “how” the island could time travel they just needed to witness their adventure.

    None of the characters even knew answers to these questions… some viewers can’t handle the fact that they don’t know the answers.

  • GodBlessTexas

    Also, it wasn’t a personal purgatory, it was a group one.

  • Hoping for more

    Thinking that there might be a chance some of those mysteries may be delved into or at least answered on the dvds. Great incentive to make the purchase.

    • GodBlessTexas

      given the episode commentary from the previous DVDs, I won’t hold my breath. Maybe there will be supplements on the discs outside of the commentary, but the commentaries have been universally worthless when addressing the actual mythology of the story. My hope is that they’ll go back and record more commentary tracks for the previous seasons episodes to help fill in the blanks that they could not do before because the story hadn’t been told completely.

      • Brandon

        It has been confirmed there will be 20 minutes of additional never before seen footage to clear up some of the mysteries on the dvd. Go look it up.

        • The Mantis

          Yep.

  • I’m so bummed out.

    • Me too. So many facinating mysteries left unanswered, could have been a mind blower but it fell so flat. it was like the writers were bored with it and didn’t feel llke puttting any effort into finishing it. It seemed like anyone could Become like Jacob, just drink the water and become “special”. What is so special when anyone can be “the protector of the island” and why did the island need protecting ? The supposed “bad guys” Man in Black/ Locke just seemed to fade into nothingness. Just fall off a cliff. I guess they weren’t really special after all. So many regular people ( the group in the temple, the D.I., the group that Jacob’s real mother came over with) all got killed for being “human” they were greedy, etc.etc. flawed. but so were our main characters & they did some pretty bad things while on the island, so if their bad pasts were forgiven and the sins they committed while on the island didn’t count what made them cnidateds/ sounds like any one who came to the island could have been canidates is you use that criteria.

      • dd

        How would those mysteries be answered when there were no characters who knew the answers?

        • sebastian81

          that’s the writer’s job. to find a way, that’s why they get payed tons of money.

      • KerriBeeLost

        I’ll admit it- I’m a mythology junkie too- that’s what drew me into the show.
        I was sorely dissapointed that Jacob, MIB, Mother,& Alpert were not gods! With all the hints dropped, and all teh literary references that delighted me each week, I was looking for an overarching mythological answer that would blow my mind.

        Instead, I got a resolution that relied upon the conventional beliefs of familiar value systems & religions (including elements of my own).

        Nope, I did not see that coming!

        In retrospecticus, it was a stroke of genius to repackage these ideas in the mythos of Lost. I saw humans relying on other humans, and the messy results of that, followed by a resolution that asked the characters to let go & submit to the love they had found. I saw these concepts of forgiveness, redemption, and true, sacrificial love in a new light.

        I will be mulling over this series for a long, long time. In the end, I was immensly satified with this show and the time I invested in watching it.

  • LaFleur Me

    I’m so relieved it didn’t end like “The Dark Tower” -I was really worried about that. Also -why are some of you re-posting your ideas on this thread from the last thread? Are you worried we wouldn’t read your glorious insights? And to the nay-sayers – I challenge ANY of you to write anything REMOTELY as fabulous as this show. As a writer I have been amazed at the consistent level of intelligence, pathos, humor, romance and action these writers have given us every week. 6 years with only a very few weak episodes – and some truly mind-blowing, jump out of your chair episodes – how did they do that? Those of you sad because you wasted so much time trying to figure things out -it wasn’t wasted -you were using your brain and imagination -I read tons of books, engaged in hours of fascinating discussions about so many things and learned TONS of new stuff -from watching TELEVISION??? I love everyone involve and big thanks to Doc Arzt for this site.

  • GeigerCounter

    I’m really angry about the boat shoot out in season five when they flashed in time for a while into a storm and someone shot at them. I really expected this to be answered in the finale when the rain started pouring and Miles, Richard and Lapidus were in the boat headed for Hydra island.

    As for other mysteries, well, assumptions can be made about some, but overall I think they really dropped the ball a lot of things. Why was Walt special? What about the pregnancies on the island? Why was Jack able to kill Locke and Locke able to kill Jack? Also, everyone said that if the light went out, the world would end. It was out for an hour and barely anything happened.

    I liked the closure all the characters got, but I don’t like this whole “got to move on” thing when it comes to unanswered questions.

    • Brandon

      You will get answers in the future. There is going to be 20 extra minutes of material on the dvd to clear things up. Also there are talks of a movie/miniseries as well. The finale was just supposed to be about the characters. Spending a whole episode revealing things would have been satisfying at first but it wouldn’t stick with us in the long run like this will.

      • GeigerCounter

        20 extra minutes? Are you making that up or is it true?

        • Brandon
          • GeigerCounter

            OK. Cool. They better include that boat shooting scene. But why didn’t they include the 20 minutes? They could have just make the finale 3 hours, like on BSG.

        • Drew G.

          I very much doubt the added 20 minutes will clear anything up.

          • mcnally

            No kidding. We will be lucky if they don’t introduce any new questions/mysteries!

    • DHalo

      They mentioned that they KNEW who it was in that boat, and they had planned on showing it, but during the writing of season 6, it would be difficult to get all the characters who were supposed to be on that boat together and in it at the same time. Darlton said they would’ve likely had to devote an entire episode to solving just that mystery, and they didn’t have time to do that, so they didn’t.

      • Brandon

        I bet it will…Darlton has hinted at it answering some questions like why certain people had special abilities such as hurley, walt, miles, eloise, etc. The reason this isn’t included is because I don’t believe its a continuation of the finale but instead just a random 20 minutes of lost material that will hopefully clear up some things.

  • Brandon

    For the people that hated the finale…”you aren’t ready yet” (not an exact quote but you get the gist)

  • Bozza

    How did Jack get out of the cave to end up in the bamboo field?

    • Brandon

      Lol considering all the other questions that were left unanswered that one is definitely at the bottom of the list along with why the others were guarding a dharma door that had a rock wall behind it.

      • naultz

        The Dharma door was a ruse to trick the losties into believing it was where the others were holding Walt to trick them into later being captured by the others

    • Hoping for more

      MIB was in same place after he went into the light

      • Brandon

        Except it was his dead body, Jack was still alive

        • MyDogHurley

          The water filled back up and washed him down. That’s what I got out of it.

          • Brandon

            Or it could have teleported him out of there since the light has been known to do that to people

    • Tom

      It could’ve been a callback to the Pilot episode. He woke up in the bamboo after the crash & died there.

      • Ioannes

        Yeah. I thought that was pretty beautiful.

        Not only does it end like most people expected it to – in the bamboo field as well as with Jack’s eye closing – it also included Vincent, Jack’s ep1 side-wound and concluded, instead of the vague awareness of a plane crash, the awareness of a plane taking off.

        Some really lovely symmetry.

  • machine

    After today I realised it’s all a Transformers tribute

    The Island = Cybertron
    Jacob = Optimus Prime
    Jack = Ultra Magnus
    Hurley = Rodimus Prime
    MIB = Megatron
    Flocke = Galvatron
    Ben = StarScream

    Some pretty uncanny similarities between the plots of both stories

  • triangulatedsignal

    I was actually very disappointed Ben didn’t go with them, especially after he finally felt accepted.

    • MyDogHurley

      He is waiting on Alex of course!

  • jackisjacob

    i loved how it all came together. small things got to me mind and thats my lasting thoughts. How was the island under water

  • Ament

    So my interpretation of the Island underwater in LA X is that it’s the Island’s resting place when the time comes for THAT to actually sink because one day a protector will fail at keeping the light safe and let go, I’m guessing.

    Ben’s father left the Island through death from when Ben killed him, Roger pictured himself as a good father in his purgatory, meanwhile Ben’s mom moved on.

    “Jughead” was the incident Chang talks about in the orientation film, yet the bomb exploding didn’t do anything Faraday thought and was not the cause of LA X.

    Eloise was protecting her son the entire time, she asked Desmond if he was taking him, he told her no.

    Walt wasn’t so special after all, otherwise we would of had closure.

    Egyptians built the giant Island ice cream cone shaped cork.

    Too many things I won’t be able to understand and going forward it doesn’t matter if you understand it or not. Whats done is done, and LOST is done.

  • I can now resemble Lost to the best book you’re ever likely to read but with all the important pages missing!

    What was the need for the island? No explanation nothing!

    Emotional ending, which I loved, but 6 years of wondering about the relevance of the Island only for it to be cast aside giving it zero relevance.

    I said at the start this was purgatory. The script writers denied it for longevity and mystery and have looked for a way to cover it up.

    Had I of known this was just an emotional path, then at the crossroads I probably would have gone the other way.

    • LockeJ

      “I said at the start this was purgatory.”

      This was not purgatory. The flash sideways in season 6 was a kind of purgatory, but the island and seasons 1-6 really happened and were not purgatory.

      “What was the need for the island? No explanation nothing!”

      This was answered by Jacob in Richards episode and highlighted further in “across the sea”. They were there to protect the light and the “world”; and that pretty much means that if they had shown the island have the light go out for good, then the only way to of ended the show would have been for the world to end. That would be a lame ending.

  • Barnes (#17)

    Very moving and poignant finish. Now it’s time to fire up the pilot episode and watch the whole series from start to finish which is something I’ve been waiting to do since season 6 started. I’m very interested in seeing how the series will hold up in the future. Fading into obscurity is not what I see happening. This was groundbreaking television and I sympathize with anyone who tries to emulate it.
    Long Live LOST
    J

  • I miss LOST already…

    The religious like ending did not score to well with me, but it was good nonetheless.

    So the sideways flash was just a “dream” of lost souls?? Being the time on the island was real.

    The question I want answered is “Why is Eloise so keen on everything?”

    • Ament

      I believe Sideways was purgatory with no time, everything that died existed together, no one could move on unless they realized they died. At some point in time they all died separately and at different times but waited for each other at the meeting place which was the church. Ben didn’t go inside because he either wasn’t ready or didn’t want to move on for personal reasons just like Eloise. Eloise knew she died but chose to stay behind to enjoy the company of her son, that’s why she tearfully asked Desmond if he was going to take her son. Overall it was an awesome wrap up to the characters lives together…live together, die together.

  • spinflip

    If anyone still remembers the Lost video game some years ago, its ending actually made sense in retrospect.

  • Samuel

    In my opinion you are all missing the point. They were all dead when 815 crashed, hence the end with Jack crawling back to his initial crash spot to finally move on. They drove this point home even further by rolling the end credits with the flight 815 wreckage shown on the beach again with no survivors. The Island was purgatory, just as the writers swore for years it was not. Nothing that happened with any mysteries was ever relevant which is why I like many are very disappointed. Here is a link to a review explaining my view of the Finale… http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-lost-review-20100524,0,1472915.story

    • Ed Holden

      In my opinion you are all missing the point. They were all dead when 815 crashed, hence the end with Jack crawling back to his initial crash spot to finally move on.

      Not the case. The six seasons were “real” events, including the flashbacks and flashforwards. The characters were very much alive.

      The flashes sideways, however, are best thought of as flashforwards, showing us a reality the Losties experience together after they die. Each Lostie dies at a different time – Hurley and Ben could easily have remained alive for thousands of years protecting the Island – but in the end when they die they all end up in the same purgatorial reality with one another, and it exists outside of time. As Jack’s father explains, “There is no now” in the sideways world. This is the reason why when they come to remember their entire on-Island experience, they don’t remember just the crash in 2004. The sideways are not 2004, but rather long after.

      • LockeJ

        Well said Ed!. I am really confused by all the people that think everything we have seen has been them dead. It was made quite clear in what was said by Christian, but i suppose characters have lied before?.

      • justin

        I loved the ending. But it seems odd that Jack married then divorced Juliet in this purgatorial reality. If the island was real and he died there. He died loving Kate. So why would in purgatory he have a fake son with Juliet?

        • Prudence

          For me it was a way of saying that Jack and Juliet’s relationship had its importance, even though they weren’t each other’s endgame. Jack needed to solve his daddy issues – being a father himself would help him understand the other side of his failed relationship with his own father. As for Juliet, I’d always found it curious that she, being so deeply connected to fertility and motherhood, never raised a child of her own. By “creating” David together, they were both solving their individual parenthood issues and sort of mending the bond they never really came to fulfill during their short time together on the island. But they weren’t each other’s great love, so in the creation of this afterlife universe they’d rather be only on friendly terms.

          (However, I criticize my own theory now by adding that, if Jack and Juliet had the opportunity to set their past ‘ship stuff straight before going to the Great Beyond in the arms of their respective one-and-only’s, there is no explanation for the James/Kate relationship not getting proper closure as well. If only he’d called her Freckles, damn it. :P)

  • Cheryl

    Ben didn’t go over because it was the group of people who meant the most to you, Alex meant the most to Ben and she was not ready yet.

  • correcaminos

    I know this is the internet, but I hoped for less bickering on a site talking about an intelligent show like Lost.

    People will necessarily have and express varying thoughts about the show. Unfortunately, some folks on this site think that criticizing/praising the finale is the same as critizing those that liked/disliked the finale.

    Expressing an opinion is not the same as criticizing any person with a different one. Not all finale “haters” think that those satisfied with the finale are ignorant “fanbois.” Not all finale “fanbois” think that those unsatisfied with the finale are unenlightened “haters.”

    It is fair comment to believe that the finale perfectly stayed true to the show and characters. It is equally fair comment to believe that the finale left too many questions unanswered and was a “cop out.” So is anything in between. This board should be about people exploring what and why they and other fans feel the way they do. Lots of people are doing this or at least trying to do it, but others are adding little that is useful to anyone.

    Personally, I thought the final 15 minutes of the finale was flawlessly executed. However, there was nothing unique to Lost about an ending where those that share important experiences in life reunite in death. Sure, the ending “works” because the show created characters and relationships that we cared about. But the same ending could be used for every show where characters have bonded.

    And the ending sure seemed like it was devised to get around the multitude of plot holes/gaps/loose ends. What happened to [insert character name here] ? It doesn’t matter, they all have a “feel good” ending after death. (A very well done “feel good” ending, to be sure.)

    Overall, a good show, even if flawed (sometimes deeply).

    • Latocrates

      Well said. There are some SERIOUSLY socially inept people on this site, who, instead of saying, “I’m sorry you didn’t like it, but I respect your difference of opinion,” call those who disliked the finale “retarded.” They (particularly dd) represent the very worst aspects of fandom, and I’ll never understand why Doc didn’t ban them long ago.

      • Desi’s Brother

        blah blah. Sorry I’m not going to address you with “I’m sorry you didn’t like it, but I respect your difference of opinion.”

        I’m just going to tell it like it is, thanks.

  • BNJM

    There was a lot in the finale that I liked, even loved, but mostly I came away hating it. Especially the resolution to pretty much all of the womens’ stories. Guess they were there just to prop up the men after all, or in Claire’s case, have a baby. And I will never fathom how they could have written such a rich and layered love story between Sawyer and Kate, when in the end the writers do a complete 180 and have them wind up with other people. Nor will I ever understand Shannon somehow being Sayid’s “true love” when the character’s initial main drive was to reunite with Nadia. This is not how you write romance, Darlton. Not good romance, anyway.

    • Ed Holden

      Actually Sawyer and Kate might have ended up together. They both escaped on the plane together, and the scene of the plane flying over Jack as he dies suggests that the plane escapes the Island. The sideways world happens after their deaths, which might have been years later, so you can easily fill in your own story for the rest of Sawyer’s and Kate’s lives, including the possibility (dare I say probability?) that they end up together.

      They are not together in the sideways world, but that should be no indication of how their lives were.

  • johr77

    super duper cheese.

    as expected…

    very very lame ending

    • Latocrates

      I’m sure it won’t be long before dd and others here start insulting you for saying that.

    • ItsAtvShow

      I guess you can sleep easy now that your expectations have been met…Also, do you think you could tone down the profound insight? It’s far too deep.

    • I dunno…i’ve yet to hear an intelligently interesting interpretation of what just happened last night…so for now, I’m gonna agree that it was mostly sugar cornball and that it could ruin my dinner.

  • taco

    I feel like the producers were just conducting an experiment to see how long they could string along viewers over the years with a story that makes little sense. As if someone had a made a bet with them.

    • taco

      Or maybe it did all make sense and it was great. I don’t know. I’m still trying to figure out the X-Files.

  • Kara

    “Ben didn’t go inside the church because he wasn’t ready to cross over (maybe waiting for Annie?)”

    Or maybe Ben is the new Jacob since Hurley was in the church –

  • imfromthefuture

    You know what show is awesome? Lost. Thanks bye.

  • OtherJacob

    Okay – I’ve had a chance to sleep on it a bit. I’m not as bitter as I was last night, but I still feel that they screwed the pooch. I’m not an “answer zealot”, there were only two things that I was truly looking for in last night’s episode.

    1) Satisfying conclusion to the characters story lines
    2) Maintain relevancy to the major plot points of the story.

    They did alright for the first, but screwed up the second.

    Can some one please explain to me how the time travel aspects of the story are still relevant given that Jughead never did cause a split. It really feels like the majority of season 5 has been rendered completely irrelevant.

    • imfromthefuture

      They were the cause of everything that happened to them on the island in previous seasons that is how it was relevant. As far as mainting relevancy.. if people eventually dying and moving on to some glorious afterlife is not satisfying to you.. you will never be satisfied..

      • Mack

        OtherJacob, I understand where you are coming from and I think you have some valid points. The ending had its weak and strong points.

      • OtherJacob

        I have no problem with people dying in a show. In fact in a story as epic as this one, its a necessity. What I have an issue with is that a happily-ever-after type ending doesn’t work for a story filled with as much tragedy as this one, and that’s exactly what they tried. It just didn’t work for me.

        The only major flaw was the final scene in the church. If I could have written that scene myself, it would have been a legitimate timeline split caused by jughead instead of purgatory. With that I probably would have had the FS characters not fully understanding what had happened in the island world and attempt to cross over to the island world thinking that they were suppose to be there instead. The catch would be that only those who were still alive in the OT would cross over successfully – the others would have died. THAT would have been a fitting tragic ending because it would have demonstrated that if those who were dead in the OT had simply accepted fate they would still be alive in the FS world.

        Oh yeah, I also would have shown the season 5 outrigger shoot out flash during the rain-storm. I most likely would have had Sawyer die unknowingly at the hand of his season 5 self.

        • imfromthefuture

          it was juliet who killed the other outrigger person.. and i do think that the writers kind of underestimated how badly everyone wanted that question answered.. taht is my one slight disapointment.. i get what your sayinga bout wanting the bomb to mean more.. but i still feel it meant alot being that they caused everything that happened to them on the island.. and im sorry but the happily ever after ending is not unfitting imo.. i mean the whole show was about redemption.. it appears to me the characters would not have had any chance of getting to that place if it were not for their island experiences.. i think that its awesome that flawed people who became great people ended up dying and going to “heaven” like place.. i mean what else do you want out of life lol?? im not religious at all.. but for me you or anyone to be picky about taht ending seems like a little like your digging for something to pick at.. i dunno maybe im wrong but how can we really complain about them going to heaven i think its awesome

          • OtherJacob

            The root of my disappointment is that they took the easy way out. Please see LostinPA’s comment below, she does a much better job of describing this than I have so far.

          • imfromthefuture

            i saw her comments.. i think you guys are both missing the point but hey somethings effect other people differently..

  • Jacob’s Revenge

    — The Ultimate Betrayal —
    I’m very disappointed. “The End” was an unfulfilling ending that pandered to the church crowd. Much of what happened in this episode, especially in the context of recent episodes just didn’t make logical, storytelling sense. Cuse & Lindelof just threw a bunch of random story techniques at us all season long for Shock and Awe effect which succeeds at confusing people but not in satisfying them. Also how does a happy, church-based ending complete with enveloping light come to such a dysfunctional group of murderous, duplicitous, and betraying people ?! I defy you to add up all the murders and relationship backstabbing that went on among that group of Oceanics in the church. Simply ridiculous. That wasn’t an ending, it was cast wrap party.

    I had saved every episode of season 5 and 6 on my DVR in the hope that the finale would be so good that it would inspire me to rewatch them all to see how the pieces fit together to make the end. But now, with this, I’m deleting every episode with no intention of watching anything LOST ever again. C&L betrayed us and I’ll be content to never see another show of theirs. Namaste dudes.

    • RodimusBen

      I love how you titled your post “the ultimate betrayal.” That’s awesome. You’re totally wrong about the finale and the series but I love your flair for the dramatic.

      • The Smoke Monster

        I’m with J/R on this. For instance we were led to believe no one should EVER go down that lighted cave, but in this ep we have Desmond go down and turn out the light, followed by an injured Jack who turned the light back on, and both came out alive and unmutated. WTF ?! Forget for the moment that many of us wanted resolutions to mysteries, this episode couldn’t even keep the mysteries consistent ! Ugh.

        • Spamlet

          Nothing inconsistent about it. They meant no normal human. Des was shown to have the ability to withstand massive amounts of energy that would kill any normal man (likely from his long years of exposure as the button pusher and survivor of two electromagnetic inspired explosions). Jack was given the necessary protection powers by Jacob to do the job. The reason MIB was turned into the smoke monster when he was thrown in there was because at the time he was still just a mere mortal. Had Jack gone in there before Jacob gave him the protection ability he would have have lost his mortal body too like MIB did.

  • wafs

    Side question : Anyone know where I can watch Jimmy Kimmel’s post LOST special online? I’m not in USA so I think the website blocks it for me.

  • Lost in NYC

    I know Lost has pilfered some underlying ideologies from Star Wars, Wizard of Oz, Watership Down, Alice in Wonderland etc….which has all been cool, because the crux of the message in all of them is universal…the need to redeem, to heal, to get along, to forge relationships, to go home. And I’ve loved Lost for 6 years because of this. But incorporating ideologies is one thing, and plot stealing is another…if anyone has read the short story “Willa” from Stephen King’s “After Sunset” collection, you will have worse déjà vu than Desmond…I think they tried to seem to be original in how they ended this epic tale, but it fell a bit flat to me. This whole season felt piecemealed together…more forest, less trees… and they wasted a lot of time trying to be clever than actually telling the story. I don’t think there was a need to get so deep and spiritual in after life…the redemptive arc should have been enough to carry us through to the end. It felt more like an indulgement for the writers and actors than closure for the characters and fans.

  • neofunk

    I have always been a big Lost fan and have always defended it but I really felt short changed this season.I love the characterisation but if being honest it is the mythology which hooked me.I was not looking for everything to be wrapped up in a bow but the writers totally side stepping major plot mysteries that were being building up for six seasons.This show’s that they have being making it up from season to season.Darlton said the Adam and Eve reveal would prove that they had planned this from season 1 bullshit.MIB and “mommy” really was an after thought stemming from the deus ex machina that was the introduction of Jacob in season 3.The story telling this season has been mainly filler with little answers that were given were mainly flat “The Whispers” what a joke.I have always said that Lost as a whole hinged on the last season but as we found out it was spit in the face.It is the fan’s that have made Lost what it is with theories and research making it a very interactive experience which I love and will miss but we were being hoodwinked,actually with some fans theories being better than what panned out.There was just so much that could not be answered to give a satisfactory resolution.For ppl to say it’s the characters that matter and not the answers is bullshit if i wanted to watch a show about only the characters i would have watched a soap.Why should we just accept lazy writing and allowing the writers an easy copout.I was looking forward to a full rewatch knowing where the interweaving story was going as a whole.Spotting all the different things through out that proved the plot was dilectly preconceived all along as we were led to believe.Not that it was being made off the cuff season to season.A rewatch now will just show all the things that ultimately led nowhere i just feel a lot of what has come before was tarnished by the laziness of the writers and under estimation of the fan’s intelligence.I expected some things to be left open for debate but not 70% of the mythology in this promised season of answers. I would have loved a flashback episode of the Egyptian period of the island’s history and that it would have been integral to the story’s arc maybe even being the Genesis of Jacob/Flocke.They will never explain what the island is we just got a McGuffin cave of light that if anything else was the one question that needed to be answered.They just thought of a way to have the Purgatory ending which was planned all along and changing enough so the island was not Purgatory and they could say “see we did not lie and we caught you suckers As the Dude said ” I just wanted the rug that tied the room together” but what I got was the rug which the writers shat on.Darlton and Cuse laughing all the way to the bank while giving us a big FUCK YOU and if you can’t see that you well “I pity you fools”

    • The Mantis

      Jeez dude, Take a breath, close your eyes and remember english class when you learned paragraph/sentence spacing….. You can let go now.

      • Mack

        Why insult the guy? Insults are a weak mans substitute for criticism.

        • Princess H

          The Mantis is KING! Recognize!

      • i feel like i’m going to get very tired of people saying “you can let go now” in a way to not defend the ending from any attack on it’s logic…

    • Mack

      The ending had a lot of satisfying emotional moments. What I didn’t like was the Titanic meets The Sixth Sense ending.

      • OtherJacob

        Agreed – while the Island story line didn’t fully realize its potential, it was the ending in the Flash-Purgatory story line that caused the screw up. It makes no sense for a show that has never shied away from the tragic story line to force a happily-ever-after ending. It just felt forced…

        • shea

          all the characters were connected from the beginning, even before they set foot on the island, the flash backs. think it makes scence there connected at the end.

          if they made it a sad ending then they would have have to spend more time giveing answers. as well as there being a no one size fits all model to an aswer in terms of satisfaction for fans, it would also have recked ambiguity. this way and maybe it does sound sentimental, lost lives on. what did hurley and ben get up to, what did this mean, questions, the culture of lost, what all of us did independently or as a community since day one. that was allways the best bit.

          very satisfied with the ending. personaly and from an abstract view. fair play to all involved.

  • ToeJam

    I thought it was great…a few things…first, I think the island was a real place…more on that in a sec.

    Background:

    What is the light? I think the light is what ultimately allows these diverse people to end up together. Like alluded to, it is life and death…and I think also after-death. The light is what allows us to transcend our biology…to allow dead to not just be dead. When it’s said that if the light goes out we’ll all be doomed, I think it’s really a capital “D” doomed…not doomed in the sense that you will die…but doomed in the sense that you will die, and that that will be it…and all those who you’ve loved who have died already…gone…they cease to be.

    In order to truly move on, you have to be able to examine your life and be satisfied and to be able to look back and have people you could count on and who counted on you. Before coming to the island, none of the main characters had that, and I believe death for any of them would have condemned them to the fate of Michael..to wander for eternity on the island, alone, going over and over all the things you screwed up…perpetually unable to let go. Notice that in their realizations and memories of their lives, ALL the events they remembered were island events…despite tons of off island relationships and events, none ultimately mattered to their ever after.

    How the island was run before Jacob, we’ll never know, but when he took over, I think he started playing around with things he probably should have let be. He wasn’t content to be a guardian…he was also a meddler. He desperately wanted to prove that people were redeemable, and it seems that during his whole tenure as island guru, he tried again and again to have this happen, and from the conversation at the start of the Incident, I think we can safely say, he failed again, and again, and again. I think he took people who by all rights, should have been 100% dead, and he gave them a second chance…they became kind of dead-ish. By doing this, he was messing with the fundamental order of things. In order to attempt to maintain consistency, he had rules…none of these dead-ish people could leave (and hence, not interfere with the lives of those truly alive) and none could have children. (I’m not sure whether the DI was brought there by him in this way or actually just scientifically stumbled upon the place, and perhaps that’s why they had a child successfully..they were 100% alive….BUT, their experiments ultimately put the light at risk, and they had to go…hence the purge)

    The man in black’s origins still confuse me (smoke monster wise), but he was certainly the ultimate person who couldn’t let go. He wanted to leave the island, to go “home” to a place he’d never actually been, unable to let go of the fact that he was meant for somewhere else. Once he was mortal again, I’m not even sure if anything bad would have happened to the world if he left…I imagine he just would have left and lived a miserable life with no chance of redemption, and without the light, that life would have just ended and that would be that. In any event, Jacob’s first act that completely took for granted the light created the smoke monster, and all the actions he took from that point forward to prove his theory did little more than put the light at risk.

    From the moment he encountered Locke in season 1, I think the smoke monster finally knew how to get rid of Jacob and the stupid rules and from that point on I think he orchestrated much of the strangeness we saw, all to accomplish a few things…he needed a dead body to come to the island that would have immediate cred amongst those that mattered so that he could ultimately convince Richard to let him close to Jacob and convince someone else to kill him….the cabin, Christian Shephard, Walt, the time travel…all elaborate devices to make this happen….to create the jealous/manipulative/confused/angry Ben Linus he needed, and to create the God like figure of John Locke. Although he doesn’t realize it, I think Jacob knows that no matter what happens, he can’t leave the island as the smoke monster, and I think Jacob knows that the MIB will eventually realize his only other course of action….to destroy the light/island. Jughead I think is where Jacob comes back into play…he sees the end game in the 70s, and his counter move is to bring them back to the present via the explosion.

    So when Jack says he has a purpose, it’s really twofold:
    1) his ultimate, and initial purpose, was to let go, to come to grips with his life and death, and the people within it, so that he could move on. (I think if he just died in Oceanic 815, he would be forever…uh…lost for a better word…never able to reconcile his life)
    2) because Jacob totally #$&*-ed everything up however, he now had a new purpose…to not just be redeemed and have a shot at an ever after, but to actually save that ever after for everyone.

    Desmond is an interesting character, because he’s the only one who actually comes to understand, while alive, that the here and now is somewhat irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. What he doesn’t understand though, and what Jack does, is that the meaning and purpose he sees beyond his island life, is very much at risk. Jack sacrifices himself to allow that, to make the sideways a possibility, and to ensure that life is more than life…to ensure that Claire and Aaron’s bond, for example, is eternal, rather than just 40 years of existance, that just ends when as Christian says, we all die.

    All in all, I think it was a great story, and I think it allowed a lot of us to imagine the possibilities of something more than we see…ghosts, time travel, second chances, life after death, and just mystery in general.

    Very cool.

    • justin

      Nice one!

    • Princess H

      Out of all the comments on here, this one is the best (Even IF you copy & pasted) Thanks!

  • OtherJacob

    On the bright side – maybe tonight Jack Bauer will give us the series finale we’ve all been craving for!

  • verylost

    Koobie, I agree with your explanation except for the part about Ben. The way I took it was that Ben earned his redemption, but didn’t go in because he wasn’t sure he deserved it. Just my theory, loved the ending.

    • OtherJacob

      I took Ben’s reluctance to leave being that he wasn’t wanting to be without Alex. Once Alex is ready to leave, he’ll leave too.

      • verylost

        That’s a reasonable theory. I guess I was reading more into him talking about figuring things out. That and how he apologized to Locke about what he did.

  • LostinPA

    My husband and I both came out of this 2.5 hours richly and totally disappointed.
    As rich and complex as this series has been, as much potential as was instilled in this series for six years, this is what we got to end it all?

    They played the Death card. Really? There was no way to figure out something a little more worthy?

    Where was the autistic boy with the snowglobe?

    I almost heard Celine Dion singing “My Heart Will Go On” in the last scene. Taken right out of Titanic the movie. Are you kidding me? Who knew Darlton were such James Cameron fans. Jack = Jack, Kate = Rose. Coming together in the brightly lit Titanic grand staircase, for those of you who need to me to spell it out. hey guess what else – just like in Titanic, Jack dies, and Rose err Kate goes on. I’m starting to get nauseous again …

    They played so many easy cards in this 2.5 hour consumption of my time that i can’t even begin to name them all, I am so, shall we say, put out. Let’s see – all they had to do was skim back through the past 2 years and pick out the most poignant scenes and regurgitate them for us and “ohh ahhh” the characters get closure?? One right after another – bam bam bam bam bam DONE! TOUCHDOWN WOOHOO! After kate and Claire delivered her baby after an unbelievable and completely unrealistic 15 minutes in actual labor, i nearly vomitted. Every single character of importance, relegated to triviality by the superficiality of their resolutions. Shallow.

    i could have written this finale episode myself and imbued it with more complexity while also preventing this: the Finale didn’t answer as many questiosn as it proceeded to open up. Thank you so much, Lost creators, for keeping me up an additional three hours without sleep after this episode. there’s a point beyond which something with a richness of complexity gains too much ambiguity and begins to lose meaning. The finale did that for me, quite effectively. Lost actually lost meaning for me and my husband. Like stumbling over a precipice. The picture of Flocke at the tip of the cliff comes to mind. Sheer drop.

    It seems pretty clear that the lost creators, writers, etc were incredibly burned out and threw something at us with the last fumes of their energy. Good thing we only received 6 seasons of this, because if there had been a seventh season, I assure you the finale wouldn’t have gotten even 50% strong approval.

    • imfromthefuture

      you and your husband are assholes..

      • OtherJacob

        Please refrain from insulting others. It only demonstrates an inability to accept differentiating opinions.

      • LostinPA

        No, we’re not assholes, my classy friend. We are merely intellectuals.

        • dd

          Based on your criticism, I seriously doubt that.

      • LostinPA

        No, we are not assholes, my classy friend.

        • imfromthefuture

          im sorry for calling you an asshole but i was insulted by saying you could have written a better finale.. i think that that was the most insulting comment ive ever read on this site actually and if you are gonna attack the producers knowing that they cannot respond to you i figured id give u a little truth.. but i think that is most unclassy of you as well.. to claim you could have wrriten a better ending and that basically their show was wrong.. oh my god these people whose entire character arcs have been all about remdemption eventually go to heavan after they finish their lives at one time or another.. that is disappointing to you? whats wrong with you? sure at first i questioned taht the montages shown during the realization moments were a cheapish type trick.. but after seeing the ending and realzing what it meant (i.e. realization of being in after life) i think that it was beautiful.. for you guys to be cheering for a painful sad ending is like just horrible to me.. and i love darkness in my tv/movies but this was a great way to get out of the darkness.. they finally got a victory which i cannot count many that happened during the show.. the world is in a sad state when people like you are upset with people getin in heaven.. its sad man.. im not even going to comment on the titanic stuff cause its just stupid..

          • imfromthefuture

            PS lostinPA.. a great man once said that those who are proclaiming/advertising themselves as intellectuals are usually the furtherst from it..

          • OtherJacob

            How is suggesting alternative ways of writing the finale insulting to you? The only people who could possibly take offence to it is the writers themselves. Anybody writing for a tv show is going to know that there will be critism and will be able to shrug it off.

          • justin

            you’re really going to battle other people who have a different opinion then you? it would be boring if we lived in a world where everyone loved the ending

    • brlebu

      You’re entitled to your opinion of the finale, obviously, as everyone is, but letting Claire’s labor scene affect your opinion is, honestly, kind of stupid.

      I mean, since you’ve watched Lost, you’ve obviously seen childbirth on television before. And you’ve seen childbirth in movies, right? In real life, when a woman has her first baby, she’s in labor for what, 10 hours or more? In the context of a TV show, especially a series finale that revolves around an ensemble cast, it just doesn’t make sense to stick with the reality of childbirth.

      And since you said you could have written a better finale, let’s see your ideas. Seriously. I’d love to see some dialogue on what the disappointed fans would have liked to see in the finale.

      • KerriBeeLost

        Not to mention, this was the sideways timeline… a timeline of their own making. From the start it was surreal. In this timeline Claire’s labor was nearly impossibly quick, Locke’s recovery from surgery was indeed impossibly quick, Hurley was the luckiest man alive… I could go on, but you all get the idea… I will be re-watching this season to reflect on this more myself.

    • The Dharma & Greg Initiative

      “i could have written this finale episode myself and imbued it with more complexity while also preventing this”

      Would you be willing to share?

  • Kristin

    Do we really need everything answered in a nice, complete way? Isn’t life full of unanswered questions and open-ended conclusions? Do you ever really know everything?

    • OtherJacob

      The issue that people like myself are having isn’t a lack of answers – it’s that they took an easy way out. I have no problem not knowing things like what the light is, or what exactly the smoke monster is, or what made Walt and Aaron so special, or why the smoke monster leaving the island would cause the world to end.

      A show as complex as lost deserves an intricate, complex ending. They didn’t deliver this. Despite my criticisms above, I have to say that I enjoyed the Finale up until Jack opened up the coffin.

    • LostinPA

      If you carefully read my posting, you’ll see that’s not what I am saying. I have been a great fan of David Lynch for years. If I needed nice and tidily packaged answers, that would not be the case.

    • Lost in NYC

      t’s not about “answers”…its about connecting the plot dots that we have been following for 5 years…I never wanted answers for the sake of checking something off a list. I wanted to know the how’s and why’s (women not being able to have babies, hieroglyphics and mythology, war, time travel, others band of merry child stealing killers to name a few) to that the story I had been invested in would make sense to me. The writers got lazy or bored, or too self indulgent in season 5 and wrote themselves into a corner, not leaving any time to finish the story that was originally supposed to be told. There is no way I believe that the those who wrote the “Pilot” and “The Moth”, and “The Constant” wanted to see these lost souls jipped out of their lives and true heroic and redemptive storylines for the whole 6th season so that it could end in a weepy, lets tug your heart strings to make up for no original plot devices cop-out. I wonder what JJ Abrams thinks of where D & C took this once mind-numbingly awesome show.

    • Lost in NYC

      t’s not about “answers”…its about connecting the plot dots that we have been following for 5 years…I never wanted answers for the sake of checking something off a list. I wanted to know the how’s and why’s (women not being able to have babies, hieroglyphics and mythology, war, time travel, others band of merry child stealing killers to name a few) to that the story I had been invested in would make sense to me. The writers got lazy or bored, or too self indulgent in season 5 and wrote themselves into a corner, not leaving any time to finish the story that was originally supposed to be told. There is no way I believe that the those who wrote the “Pilot” and “The Moth”, and “The Constant” wanted to see these lost souls jipped out of their lives and true heroic and redemptive storylines for the whole 6th season so that it could end in a weepy, lets tug your heart strings to make up for no original plot devices cop-out. I wonder what JJ Abrams thinks of where D & C took this once mind-numbingly awesome show.

  • lovedit

    I loved it! I love how the theme of freewill vs. destiny was carries out-in that both freewill and ultimate destiny are true. I loved the sideways stories–everyone is saying it was the afterlife–perhaps it was but I see it as an alternate life in which all the characters ultimately came together despite their freewill and choices in life. They each needed the others to meet their redemption and thus ultimate destiny. I think they did experience the sideways stories–they had too in order to get to the ultimate destination of moving on beyond and healing.

  • arrow

    Thanks writers! Well done!

  • OtherJacob

    Minor change of topic – did anyone notice that Smokey thought that he WAS Locke when he and Jack were lowering Desmond towards the Light? I’m thinking that this shines some light (pun intended) on the theory that Smokey is not actually MiB. He just THINKS he is.

    Thoughts??

    • imfromthefuture

      I think there is something to that and an excellant thought..

    • Mack

      You are on to something. I just had this very conversation with a friend moments ago. It would make sense that this were true if in fact MIB was dead or dying when he entered the cave. The smoke assumed his identity with was probably the first time he had assumed human form.

    • Mack

      You are on to something. I just had this very conversation with a friend moments ago. It would make sense that this were true if in fact MIB was dead or dying when he entered the cave. The smoke assumed his identity which was probably the first time he had assumed human form.

    • brlebu

      MIB was transformed into Smokey, but in taking on the identities of dead people, he was able to draw from their experiences. Like when Smokey-Christian told real Locke to say hello to Jack in the end of Season 4 when Locke was turning the wheel.

      The deal with Smokey-Locke was probably that since he was stuck in Locke form, Locke’s experiences were that much more evident.

      • OtherJacob

        What I’m arguing is that we don’t actually know that MiB was transformed into the Black Smoke. I’m saying that him being exposed to the Source/Light released the Black Smoke, killing him in the process. The Black Smoke took his form for a while and ended up believing he was in fact MiB, just as he appeared to believe that he was Christian Shephard when he was in that form, and as appeared to believe that he was in fact John Locke.

        This one will be an eternal debate, but I’m confident that I’m onto something…

        • Mack

          I am also confident and agree with your assessment. If the smoke was a entity devoid of personality, a force of evil/nature if you will; it was only after merging with the personality/memories of MIB that he gained a semblance of identity and purpose. After the acquisition of MIB’s memories, the smoke monsters purpose became MIB’s, to get off the island.

        • brlebu

          It’s a good thought, for sure, and there may be something to it, but I’m sticking with what was said on the show.

          Jacob said something like, “I’m responsible for making him this way”, which leads me to believe that MIB was transformed into the Smoke Monster.

  • thinkimlost

    I felt a little short changed by the ending but i suppose the programme was called “LOST” not here’s a story about an island, everything that happened on the island was just a side story to the main one, people that were lost.

  • Super-G

    I live in the UK and woke up at 5am this morning to watch the last episode. Maybe I’m just tired, but I feel very disappointed 🙁

    I have been a massive fan of the show from the beginning and have loved the amazing ride it has taken me on. But looking back at season 6 now I wonder what was the point? The flash sideways (although it had some great moments) all seems pointless to me now.

    I can’t help thinking that the writers should have told the Richard / Black Rock story and the Jacob / MIB back story in season 5 and ended with the incident. (with maybe some flash forwards in time between the incident and the 815 crash to explain the Purge, why the numbers were broadcasting, why Rousseau changed the transmission that we heard in the pilot, more about the hatch and why pushing the button saved the world, more about Desmond and why he is so special, why Radzinsky shot himself and who were the people in the other boat that got shot?)

    I hate to say these negative things about such a great show, but maybe I’m just tired. I will definitely re-watch the last episode again and hope that I feel better.

    • OtherJacob

      Take a nap and think about it over again. I thought it was ended horribly (only because of the last scene) – but now that I’ve had a slight chance to process the episode, I don’t dislike it as much.

      Who knows, maybe it’ll end up growing on me….

    • brlebu

      What more needed to be explained about the Purge? There was an ongoing conflict between DHARMA and the Others and the Others ended it.

      I don’t think we were ever going to learn more about the numbers. I think they were just a coincidental thing that didn’t really have much meaning, other than “Jacob had a thing for numbers.” Maybe Radzinsky found the cave, saw the names/numbers that weren’t crossed out and became so obsessed with them that he started the transmission and used the numbers for the computer code.

      Rousseau changed the transmission because she was hoping for rescue.

      Pushing the button saved the world because allowing the energy to be released would have destroyed the island and, therefor, the light source.

      Desmond was special because of his resistance to electromagnetism.

      Radzinsky shot himself because he was stir crazy. It wasn’t explicitly stated, but I think it was pretty clear that Radzinsky was put in charge of the Swan because it was his idea. The fact that he couldn’t escape something that he started drove him to kill himself.

      I am bummed that we never found out who the time jumpers were shooting at. But since we never did find out who it was, I think we can only assume that it was just random inhabitants of the island at whatever time they were in during that scene.

      • jon

        But why bother writing any of that? It had nothing to do with the story.

        • brlebu

          What? Just because the story as a whole was about relationships doesn’t mean that the mythology was entirely pointless.

          For example, Desmond’s resistance to electromagnetism was a huge piece of the finale, as he was able to “pull the plug” and make Locke mortal.

  • OtherJacob

    I guess in hind-sight the final scene shouldn’t be too much of a surprise. The majority of season 6 was a re-telling of the Season 2 story, but on a more spiritual realm.

    Think about it; what happened in S2? A group of numbers were being used to keep an energy from escaping and destroying the world. When they weren’t able to do so, Desmond activated a fail-safe that ensured it would never be able to escape.

    What happened S6? A group of candidates (each with a corresponding number) were being used to help keep the black smoke from escaping and destroying the world. When they weren’t able to do so, Desmond was able to change things so that they could ensure that the black smoke would never be able to escape.

    Debate all you want about the final scene (I’ve made my feelings known!), this season as a whole was actually quite clever.

  • Joe

    I’m left with so many questions. Maybe some of you could help me understand. Please.
    1. When did they die? First plane wreck? If so what was their bond to each other rather then family and friends from the outside world. They didn’t know each other until they grew together on the island. If not then what is a good timeline of their deaths?
    2. Was Dharma just a construct of one of their needs. Some answer that their spirit needed to cross over? Or was there a real island with properties that a real group wanted to study?
    3. When Jack, Kate, Hurley…. left the island the first time were they alive or just ready to move to another plane of existence? Did they come back due to obligation to those left behind to guide them back?
    4. Jacob and the smoke monster? was that another fabrication of purgatory to move them toward the light? or were they previous inhabitants that never found their way until the Lost group helped them? Was every other person they met dead or a construct like the side story ” real world” they were in?
    5. The ” real world’ didn’t consist of any other people right? It was created because that was what was needed to cross over? Only their souls were the ones trapped in it?
    argh!! so many question. any help would be appreciated. Thanks

    • brlebu

      1. They survived the plane crash. Everything that happened on the island was real. Boone, Shannon, etc all died when we saw them die. Jack died when we saw him die. Rose and Bernard probably lived on the island for another 20 years. Maybe Hurley and Ben ruled the island for another century. As Christian said “Some died before you and some long after.”

      2. DHARMA was real. Everything that happened on the island was real.

      3. They were alive.

      4. Real.

      5. That’s where it gets a little fuzzy. One understanding was that the sideways world was created to help them find each other so they could move on together. My thought it is that it was created for them to get over the issues they still had when they died. Based on what we saw throughout the season, Kate still struggled with her guilt/innocence, Sawyer still struggled with the death of his parents, Jack still had his daddy issues, etc. Only when they were able to let go of those struggles were they able to move on.

    • OtherJacob

      Answer (as I seem it):

      1) They died in the moments that we saw them die in the show. Everything that happened on the island really happened. What we saw in Flash-Purgatory (yes, that’s what I’m calling it from here on out! 🙂 ) was post-death.

      2) Dharma was real as well – just as with everything else on the island.

      3) The O6 were alive and well when they left and returned to the island. The exact reason for each of them returning is personal to the character and up for some debate, but in general, lets just say it was guilt that brought them back.

      4) Jacob v. Smokey was real as was everything else on the island. The exact nature of their conflict will eternally be up for debate (see my theory above concerning who/what Smokey actually is), but it would appear that Smokey was a catalyst for giving people on the island a chance to prove themselves worthy of redemption (Jack) or not (Michael).

      5) I don’t think I follow what your asking here.

      • Joe

        In question 5 I was asking if the side world was only for the Lost souls benefit. My meaning is was the paperboy, the grocer down the street, the people in all the traffic real or just a construct? Were they other souls or was this plane of reality only as far as one of the lost people could see. A real world example of this would be dreams. If you’ve ever had a vivid dream regarding another person they seem real to you but your brain and your memories have in essence created hollow dopplegangers that are only skin deep.. your brain wouldn’t be concerned with their heart beating for instance or their nervous system. They seem real and respond real in most cases, but they are an extension of your reality of them. Of course we all have our own interpretation but I find the question none the less interesting.

    • OtherJacob

      Answer (as I seem it):

      1) They died in the moments that we saw them die in the show. Everything that happened on the island really happened. What we saw in Flash-Purgatory (yes, that’s what I’m calling it from here on out! 🙂 ) was post-death.

      2) Dharma was real as well – just as with everything else on the island.

      3) The O6 were alive and well when they left and returned to the island. The exact reason for each of them returning is personal to the character and up for some debate, but in general, lets just say it was guilt that brought them back.

      4) Jacob v. Smokey was real as was everything else on the island. The exact nature of their conflict will eternally be up for debate (see my theory above concerning who/what Smokey actually is), but it would appear that Smokey was a catalyst for giving people on the island a chance to prove themselves worthy of redemption (Jack) or not (Michael).

      5) I don’t think I follow what your asking here.

    • OtherJacob

      Answer (as I seem it):

      1) They died in the moments that we saw them die in the show. Everything that happened on the island really happened. What we saw in Flash-Purgatory (yes, that’s what I’m calling it from here on out! 🙂 ) was post-death.

      2) Dharma was real as well – just as with everything else on the island.

      3) The O6 were alive and well when they left and returned to the island. The exact reason for each of them returning is personal to the character and up for some debate, but in general, lets just say it was guilt that brought them back.

      4) Jacob v. Smokey was real as was everything else on the island. The exact nature of their conflict will eternally be up for debate (see my theory above concerning who/what Smokey actually is), but it would appear that Smokey was a catalyst for giving people on the island a chance to prove themselves worthy of redemption (Jack) or not (Michael).

      5) I don’t think I follow what your asking here.

    • Samuel

      My interpretation is this
      1. Yes they all died during the initial crash (i.e. Jack crawling back to the bamboo field with Vincent to close his eye, similar to the opening scene. The credits rolling showing the 815 wreckage with no survivors running around like the first time)
      2. Unfortunately I believe so. I think the writers always wanted to make the Island a purgatory and not knowing that the show would be such a hit planned to wrap it up in 3 seasons or so. When the show became a hit and everyone focused on the mysteries so much I think the writers created more and more mysteries to fill seasons and create more buzz and satisfy the fans. I think that if they perhaps wrapped the show after season three and completely left out the Dharma stuff as well as the freighter I think it would have been better.
      3. I am unsure of this as well because as we saw last night Jack was the last to finally let go. My interpretation would be that the Oceanic 6 ignored the guiding spirits trying to get them to accept their fate and let go (i.e Jacob, Christian Shepard) and tried to sub consciously live out there normal lives, and we saw how well that went for them.
      4. I believe you are right on that they too were “Shepherds” attempting to lead the Losties, one to the Dark side, Hell (MIB) and one to the Light, afterlife (Jacob)
      5. I agree with your opinion on this
      Also in closing I appreciate your taking the time to ask questions of the Final Episode and discuss the complexity of an ending so open to multiple interpretations, rather than just blindly bashing it or raving about it without discussing the meat of the issues we saw like too many on this board.

      • chadwick

        Samuel, go back and watch the dialogue between Jack and Christian then consider this. This dialogue is the key between Island vs. Sideways.

        Christian told Jack that the other people in the church were there because they are the people that Jack spent the most important part of his life with.

        If they in fact died in the initial plane crash then Jack would have never met those individuals. They would have no reason to be there together, would never have had relationships and hardhsips.

      • Joe

        Thank you sir. As it stands I think we are of the same mind. I can see the other side as valid but I was hoping that at the very end we would zoom into the island and Jack would be a bleached skeleton in his original suit from the crash laying in the bamboo grotto… fade to black. 🙂

    • Ben (Benmanben)

      Guys, they did not die at the first crash. The sideways timeline was the death. That is why Hurley is talking to Ben saying he was a good number 2, in life. The sideways was post death. Christian said they all knew each other and loved each other before they died, so they worked it out so they could be together. That’s why they had flashes of their lives.

      • Joe

        Thanks for the reply guys,
        I did tend to think that they died on the initial wreck. Hurley and his numbers manifesting themselves all around the island.. I thought that he had a fixation with those numbers and sort of created a reality around them… But your conclusions seem just as valid. Maybe the lost souls from the wreck worked together without their understanding that they had died… making a connection between them then. Can I ask do you think that Jacob really came to them in their past or was that a constructed memory again to help them cope? Though… if that were the case no one seemed to really remember him I don’t think. Strange also that only some of their interactions caused their hidden memories to surface… I mean Jack and Juliet have a child, Sawyer and Miles worked together, and Sun and Jin all must have had physical contact in the side story yet never triggered any recognition. Don’t get me wrong… I really enjoyed the series and I think my trying to understand it better is my way of letting go 🙂

        • Samuel

          I agree Joe that is a much more plausible and interesting story than, “everything that happened was real, i don’t know how or why but it was real!” All the fantasy scenes in the show are better framed in the idea that they manifested themselves in an afterlife. I can swallow that a heck of a lot easier than crazy scientists using Jacobs numbers from a magic mirror to protect a shiny light B.S. And as for Christian telling Jack he spent the most important time with these people, I can imagine a life ending plane crash that leads to exile in purgatory would be rather important in one’s life.

  • ghanima

    When I first saw the ending I did not like it. I think I had been trying so hard to catch everything for the past two and half hours, and they had put in so many emotional reunions and references I was trying to keep up with, that when it finished, I had NO IDEA what had happened in the last two minutes. I was not happy. 20 minutes later, and I was like- oh, I get it. Sure, not the most impressive way to end it, but it works. I think I seriously just ran out of steam watching that episode- talk about an emotional triathalon- by the time Vincent lay down next to the dying Jack I was completely spent. The ending made a lot more sense this morning than it did last night. Although I’m happy to read that I’m not the only person who thought- oh, it’s the Titanic ending- because, well, it was. But it worked.

    • KerriBeeLost

      I thought of the Sixth Sense, too, (Bruce Willis, ‘I see dead people’)

  • TWoods

    Those crazy Egyptians. They were amazing.

  • TWoods

    We will understand when we are dead.

  • TWoods

    When will YouTube have the first Come Sail Away Lost montage. I’m surprised there isn’t one yet.

  • amy

    I have not had time to read all the above comments..yet. Sorry if this is repetitive. I was at first dissapointed and unsatisfied. I have sense had some time to reflect and below are just some of my thoughts (as jotted down on a FB thread, answering the question “where they just dead the whole time”). After typing these thoughts I realized this ending might have been a good one 😉 Just thought I would share here.

    They were not dead the whole time. When they died on the island they went into the “sideways” reality which in a sense was like thier purgatory. They were all living out the lives they had wanted, but that world was not “real” but rather a state of Consciousness. Once they were “awaken” by thier constants they were able to realize this and make decision to “move on” and they decided to do so together. That part was beautiful, I really enjoyed the ending but leading up to that could have been played out better.

    Hurley and Ben died long after Jack, jack died long after christian…the point was to get that “only fools are lost in time and space”. Time is not linear and we all exist together at some point in some place in the universe. The world does not matter and worldy things do not matter, it is all about fullfilling our destiny and connecting with our constants. The church was used to illistrate the point that these concepts show up throughout many different religions and cultures. The message for us to take from LOST was that if we use our free will to make the choices that bring us closer to our destiny and we will be able to move on from this world and enter into heaven, or a state of nirvana.

    Well now I feel a bit better about the whole ending. I guess I just need to keep exploring my thoughts on it.

  • Jack’s Sidekick

    I always knew it would end with his eye closing…but they still blew me away. They pulled it off and i am so grateful..

    • Ben (Benmanben)

      I predicted that too. But I didn’t know it would be anything like it was.
      It was amazing.

  • Ben (Benmanben)

    Ben wasn’t waiting for anyone. He was still trying to let go.
    Everyone is there at the same time, although they died eventually. Everyone they loved were there. There is no “now” there.

  • chadwick

    I have followed the show from the beginning. I must admit, I was totally into the science fiction, mythology, the loops in time, the fact that the island was on its own time dillenium, Dharma initiative, the power of the island, the healing of the island (Rose, Locke, etc). However, through the years I have realized those were factors in the life of the characters but not the key. The Characters were the key. I grew to love the characters and hated to see a character killed off like Shannon, Boone, Eko, etc..

    Some say they didn’t give us enough of the answers to the mythology and the science, however they arlready gave us many of the science and mythology questions we were wanting through out the years:

    1. What was the hatch? Why did they have to push the button?: To release the pressure from the power source that was broken into by the Dharma initiative.
    2. Why did the plane crash? Desmond didn’t push the button on time.
    3. Why the Dharma initiative was there: to find a power source and study the island
    4. We know why there were Polar bears: Dharma initiative brought them, studied them.
    5. We know why there food drops: Desmond was still operating the hatch, therefore Dharma sent food for Desmond, it stopped after they blew up the hatch
    6. What was the black smoke?
    7. Who was Jacob?
    8. How did MIB become the black smoke?
    9. What were the whispers in the jungle?

    Only a few questions IMO were unaswered:

    1. What was the foot statue?
    2. How was the island created?
    3. Where did Jacobs fake mother come from? How did she become the protector of the island?
    4. Why is the island in its own time dillenium?

    These questions IMO become insignificant to the overall story of the survivors of the Oceanic flight.

    Island Story vs. Sideways Story: My Opinion……

    The Island story, plane crash, loops in time, Jacob, MIB, Dharma, The Others were all real. This was the life of the survivors of the Oceanic Flight. Seasons 1-5, everyone is still alive (apart from the ones that actually died like Boone, Shannon) They didn’t die in the first season, and the writers wouldn’t do that to us making the island, the characters, and the entire story pointless. The only portion of the entire series that they were all dead was during Season 6 and only during the sideways world. Everything during season six where they were on the Island was actually happening. During season 6 the sideways world is created. This sideways world is what some may call purgatory. If you listen to what Christian says at the end of the episode he told Jack that everyone created their own life as they saw fit, once they died. So the fact that Jack had a son in the sideways world was a creation of his ideal life in his mind. Same thoughts apply with Sawyer, Kate, Desmond, Locke, and so on.

    Take Desmond for example, Desmond was always wishing to have Whitmores approval. In the sideways he was Whitmores right hand man.

    Take Sawyer for example, instead of being a bad person he was a Cop. The good guy he trully was.

    Take Hurley for example, he owned the Chicken Restaurant chain. The guy loves Chicken! LOL

    Take Daniel for example, he loved to play piano but his mother discouraged it and forced him to focus on science. So he could return to the island and possibly break the loop of the time travel. In his purgatory he was the piano star he wanted to be.

    Some people might ask, but why are all of them there at the same time, and Christian replies to Jack “Everyone dies at a different time son”. We saw Jack actually die at the end of the episode, but that doesn’t mean that Sawyer and Kate didn’t get off the island and live till they were 90. Regardless of when they died they were all at the purgatory at the same time. And purgatory was not the island, it was the sideways world. The island could still be out there and someone that replaced Hurley could still be running the show. Even one of the last lines that Hurley said to Ben when he stated that “You were a great number 2” and Ben replied “and you were a great number 1”. Under the assumption that they all died at different times how long did Hurley live for. Was he there for hundreds of years like Jacob? Or did he pass it off to someone else 20 years down the road. The statement at the end verified that they worked together as a team for some time. It ends and leaves it up to our imagination to what happened to those that made it off the island, or Desmond and Hurley/Ben who stayed.

    ps…

    Answers to those not in the church: Eko, Walt, Michael, Daniel, Ms. Fareday, Whitmore.

    Eko: made peace and reconciled when he gave himself to the black smoke. He had no reason to be there he already moved on.

    Walt: had no reason to be there, he didn’t spend that much time on the island or with the other survivors.

    Daniel & Ms. Fareday: she wasnt ready to move on because she knew she killed her son Daniel and didn’t want him to go either.

    Michael: He was one of the whispers

    Whitmore: Had yet to make peace with Ben and Desmond.

    In Summary, I feel the writers closed the amazing story with a creative twist and left some of the unanswered questions to make our imaginations wonder. Many writers leave unanswered questions to mysteries to make us think. Its part of their creativity. I say job well done. Watch all of the seasons over again and see if you obtain a different perspective.

    • Ben (Benmanben)

      1.) The foot statue was, we may assume, built by an ancient Egyptian group trying to get the light.

      2.)It was a natural island.

      3.)I don’t personally care about hearing the stories of every protector.

      4.)It was part of its odd nature.

      It was made clear by Christian that a certain group of them decided they loved each other, and wanted to reunite after death. Not everyone was in that close group.

      • chadwick

        Ben, those are good assumptions and I think you are probably along the lines. However the writers didn’t answers those questions but then again they had no reason to.

        So all of those that are complaining about not getting the answers think long and hard about what you did not get. It was miniscule to the answers that you were given or had to deduct.

        • Ament

          The only loose end, in my opinion, is Walt. We was wanted for study, gave the Ben’s group more then what they expected, showed at least once in every season, wasn’t dead so couldn’t be MIB yet showed on the island multiple times. Why?

  • Ben (Benmanben)

    By show of replies, how many guys cried?
    How many guys almost bursted into tears but held it back with great difficulty?
    I was definitely the second one.

    • chadwick

      I teared up at some places. When Claire had her baby, when Jack Died, when Sawyer and Juliette flashed and when Jin and Sun had their flashes.

      PS! it takes a man to admit it!

    • solchron

      I loved this episode.

      But as I said elsewhere.

      Having a missing dead drunk reappear and reveal the meaning of Lost at the end of the final episode was probably not such a good idea.

    • alpha&omega

      I cried a bit, specially when Jack realizes he is dead and at the final scene when he closes his eyes for the last time.

  • kdm

    Complaining about “factual holes” in Lost is like looking at a Picasso and complaining the figures “don’t look like real people”. There’s a reason it’s called fiction, and why we have the concept of artistic license. Factually, all sci-fi space battles should be soundless, but would that make them more entertaining?

    Extending the Picasso analogy, the characters in Lost are what’s real, and everything else (the so-called “physics”, “mythology”, etc.) is a shifting mosaic created expressly to lend mood and texture to the emotion and drama of their lives. As for the finale, it’s intentionally left nebulous so millions have the freedom to view it through a myriad of lenses and filters, then share those interpretations with others. Personally, I find that much more enjoyable than being spoon fed some single officially-sanctioned-by-the-Lost-governing-body “correct” interpretation.

    To those favoring objective over subjective endings, consider works (movies/shows/books) when there actually WAS but a single answer or interpretation. Then contrast how many of those were truly satisfying, as opposed to those found to be predictable, formulaic, anticlimactic, implausible, uninspired, or otherwise flawed.

    Art is about opening — possibly even expanding — one’s mind to other possibilities, not closing it off to a subset one finds “comfortable”.

    • solchron

      So what would have been over the top for you? A magic cork unleashing an evil Genie onto an island. Would that have been too corny?

      • kdm

        Yes, that would have been corny. Fortunately, nothing remotely like that happened.

    • Slimchicken

      I understand where you’re going with the Picasso analogy and agree to an extent with many of the points you’ve made, but I don’t think the analogy itself is entirely parallel. The comparison is apt for something like “Mulholland Drive,” where it becomes clear relatively early that the story is immaterial and that the images before you are simply meant to be experienced.

      Lost, at least from my perspective, was never “abstract” in its storytelling; it was actually pretty conventional. Yes, it had many fantastical elements, but at any given time the show was engaged in a pretty straightforward plot. I think many viewers’ frustrations stem from some of these subplots never having been satisfactorily resolved in relation to the seeming importance placed on them. The entire pregnancy problems storyline is a good example. We can reasonably assume that the “incident” caused these (or retroactively say Jacob prevented births) but this “answer” fails to address why this was important enough to spend so much time on and invest so much energy in. It was a major driver of action that never achieved anything approaching completion.

      That said, I think anyone entering the season finale expecting many of the major hanging threads to be tied off satisfactorily were deluding themselves. It should have been clear a long time ago – at the very least early this season when the show’s focus shifted to MIB and likely long before – that the ship had sailed on many of these things, that the story had moved on. I believe it was unreasonable to expect, for example, that somehow Walt would appear in the episode and his story would be given a proper resolution. I was frustrated that the relative importance of his character had never been addressed (given the context in which it was presented) but it was evident that the show had moved so far afield that any end to the Walt arc would at best feel tacked on.

      Personally, my problem with the season finale had nothing to do with a lack of “answers” (a term I hate, by the way, because it implies a desire for simple explanation rather than organic resolution) but because in my opinion the show overly indulged its sentimental side (a side that has been present since the beginning, to be sure) and was quite often sappy, if not corny. Others clearly enjoyed this aspect and that’s fine; to me it felt to much like emotional manipulation.

      I also would argue that the ending wasn’t very subjective at all – it seemed to me actually rather unambiguous. (I don’t personally see this as a problem, for what it’s worth). The island action was resolved rather tidily and the “sideways” wrapped up in a clear “moving on” moment for Jack and the remaining Lost characters. Not how I would’ve ended it maybe, but it was perfectly fine. I just didn’t care much for how we got there.

      • kdm

        [In response to Slimchicken’s comments:]

        It is those very unanswered (at least explicitly) questions that provide the subjectivity I speak of. Some (not necessarily you) furrow their brows at such ambiguity and complain: “Why wasn’t that spelled out for me?” Others invent their own theories, then share, debate, and otherwise derive entertainment from them … in many cases MORE entertainment than a pat explanation would have provided. Using the pregnancy issue as example, I had no problem coming up with my own theory (by which I mean I took no umbrage that none was handed to me by the writers). Others have no doubt come up with their own ideas as well. And it doesn’t matter one iota to me whether my idea is “right” (in the sense it might agree with something one of the writers had in mind), or whether any idea is THE officially sanctioned one, or even if there IS such an “objective” answer. The exercise itself got my (and others) creative juices flowing, and in such a way they would’ve have were we simply handed a single explanation. Just as the flashsideways allowed many of the characters to explore their Path Not Taken in real life, so do the ambiguities afford viewers to opportunity to explore the Path Not Taken by the writers.

        Regarding abstraction: I agree Lost is not “abstract”. But then, neither is the majority of Picasso’s portfolio (which is precisely why I used him as an analogy). Or rather, they are abstract only at a certain level of detail. Picasso’s subjects are relatively recognizable (human, animal, etc.), and have recognizable components (faces, limbs, etc.), shading to abstraction at lower levels of detail. Similarly, Lost has well-defined characters (in fact, that’s it’s greatest asset), relatively coherent plot lines (especially in light of the nonlinear timeline), and shades to abstraction in areas like sci-fi “physics” and philosophic/spiritual “mythology”.

        [In general:]

        From a literary angle, it’s a pretty standard device — leaving some details intentionally blank to so the audience can have the involvement of filling them in. Novels do it all the time, and while TV and certainly movies often abandon or curtail anything deemed too “cerebral”, it’s refreshing to see some (not just Lost) set the bar a bit higher than the Marketing Dept’s target demo of lowest common denominator. (As and aside: It’s a further tribute to Lost that it managed to be both well-crafted AND wildly popular, as opposed to yet another Best Show You’ve Never Seen that fell by the wayside.)

        Ultimately, I suppose it all boils down to where one’s comfort level for uncertainty lies. While it’s probably safe to venture the vast majority would have a problem with mutually exclusive contradictions and gaping omissions, I don’t think the ambiguities in Lost rise to this level (as judged by their impact on the characters and their respective story lines). Those who enjoy filling in blanks will, have, and will no doubt continue to to enjoy exploring, trading, and debating theories. Those who find the Lost level of fill-in-blanks to be beyond the pale and thereby annoying will likely continue to be annoyed (and complain).

        Whether the glass be half full, three-quarters, or anything less than 100%, some will appreciate the amount they have, while others will complain it’s not enough. I don’t contend either camp is right or wrong in their position … though I will propose one camp is more fun than the other.

  • linus

    Everyone expecting all these answers in the series finale, did u not tell by the pattern of the whole 6th season that it was to revolve around the characters!

    wat did u expect? a cut to daniel faraday in a room beside a blackboard explainin physics, go watch the discovery channel!

    • face

      When the commercials advertising for season 6 promise answers, naturally one could assume that’s what season 6 will be about.

  • Ament

    Flashsideways = Purgatory so the Island underwater in LA X is also in purgatory with the gang, the it may of happened under Hurley’s term as Jacob or possibly much much later, we don’t need to know when. That to me makes sense. The skeletons in the cave that Desmond seen indicate people have obviously tried to go down there before, so why not after.

  • Buzzkiller

    I LOVED the finale – I was actually crying! I loved the fact that they were all reunited in the end. I’m the sort of guy that likes a happy ending with everyone surviving and living out their lives, so given the circumstances, that was a very emotionally satisfying conclusion. Makes up for Jack (and everyone else over the years) dying.

    Yeh they didn’t answer many of the main questions – but I think we all knew deep down that they wouldn’t. Back in the old days I always wanted Lost to end with a big reveal that would link everything and make sense of all the mysteries. But over the years its become obvious they wouldn’t go down this route – so I’d already grown accustomed to the idea of having many things go unexplained.

  • Desi’s Brother

    I think the reaction of fans could have been very different had they concluded the series with a group hug inside the Looking Glass Dharma station and then Christian opened some new HATCH and the white light spread in. That would have left it much more ambiguous.

    I have a problem with the Church as a finale image.

    • Desi’s Brother

      I meant the “Lamp Post”

  • Please watch and listen to my LOST finale reaction.

  • dolce

    It. Was. Amazing. Get over it haters, it wasn’t your story to tell.

  • BasiaK

    I’m so glad I’m not an “A to B” kind of person and was able to enjoy the ride regardless of the destination.

    I feel for all of you who are unhappy that all the mysteries weren’t answered. There’s a move term,

    The “MacGuffin”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacGuffin

    for what a movie is supposedly about but in the end, it’s a place-holder for the story about the people. That to me is what all the mysteries were. They were fun diversions as I got to learn more and more about the characters, watch the layers peel back and have my perceptions of them change back and forth.

    I was very satisfied.

    And I know Hurley was a better “number one” than Jacob, who was raised by a woman who taught him to use violence to solve problems. The slaughter of the Dharma-ites wouldn’t have happened on Hurley’s watch. The countless deaths of the many brought to the island to test humans wouldn’t have happened on Hurley’s watch.

    I’m enjoying theorizing about all of the possibilities of the characters after Jack’s death.

    I doubt there will be a spin-off of any of the characters, but I would watch one with Miles and James in a heartbeat, but as they were partners only in pergatory, I guess that it ain’t gonna happen.

    Thank you, Darlton. I had so much fun with this theory, from the summer games, the wild surprises, the hunky guys, the many, many “MacGuffins”.

    Thank you.

    • OtherJacob

      This is also not the first time a J.J. Abrams series used this concept. Alias had the “Rambaldi Device” and MI:3 had the “rabbit’s foot”.

      • OtherJacob

        At TED a few years back, Abrams went on about the concept of the “mystery box” and how important it is to keep it closed. Go to You Tube and search for “jj abrams the mystery box”.

        Given what he has to say, it shouldn’t have been a surprise that so much was left unresolved.

  • TWoods

    They were dead on the Island. It wasn’t real. But that doesn’t really matter anyways because the love and the emotions were real. They can make new friends in this first step towards an afterlife and take it with them into the light. Some don’t need this step and go straight into the light but these losties needed it. Don’t need to figure out if the Island was in this life or the afterlife. It was in their afterlife and they ultimately took their newfound emotions with them.

    • dolce

      they were not dead on the island.

    • Brandon

      Please go back and watch the last scene with Jack and Christian. You clearly weren’t paying attention. Listen to the dialog carefully.

      • Brandon

        This is directed to TWoods just to clarify

  • THEY WEREN’T DEAD ON THE ISLAND!!! HOW IS THIS SO COMPLICATED TO ALL OF YOU!!!???

    • dolce

      agreed.

      • dolce

        and they were never in purgatory either. It was more like a waiting room.

        • Brandon

          OMG thank you…. The people who think the the island was “purgatory” are pissing me off with how dumb they are. Also I’m not disagreeing with someone’s opinion so don’t even start with me. The island was real and thats a fact. Also dolce your right because the creators don’t really claim any one religion. So it’s not exactly purgatory but its close to the same concept. Definitely the most comparable thing.

          • durden

            On the purgatory comment. Anybody else catch the Easter egg in the Sawyer Juliet realization. The candy bar next to the apollo bar was called AVALON. which is basically where king arthur was sent after his death in battle.

        • purgatory is a waiting room you chuckle heads!

          • Brandon

            Oh nice catch Durden! I completely missed that. I was too busy noticing the apollo bar was in slot 23.

  • joy

    thought the scenes in the cave were the most horrible….cecil b de mille in the 1950 did a better job parting the red sea……It looked like a teenage science project.

    • Mr. X

      It was pathetic.

    • KerriBeeLost

      for me, teh most horrible was the styrofoam rocks & boulders outside the cave. Watching those rocks bounce took me right out of the experience & made me laugh- so 1960’s Star Wars!

      • Brandon

        I completely agree. The rocks were the only thing that really bothered me. I thought everything else was really well done including the light. The island falling into the ocean was also good along with the plane taking off. Pretty good effects for a tv series.

  • So, after over a hundred hours of television where they hyped mystery after mystery, they made a chick flick for the finale?

    At the end of the day–”Cherish the journey” and “It’s all about the characters” are both bullshit copouts.

    Imagine for a second, that you start a company. And for some time, that company has a fantastic run; but then it crashes and burns to the ground. You will find yourself standing in front of your loyal, tearful employees telling them that they should “Cherish the journey, but it’s all over.”

    The unforgettable, unforgivable point is that crashing and burning to the ground is not the outcome you desired. It is the outcome that sprang from your inability to shape and deliver the outcome you wanted.

    “Cherish the journey” becomes the only hook you can hang your hat on because you failed. Completely. Miserably. Failed.

    Failure is the only reason to hang your hat on “journey” as opposed to a satisfying outcome. There is a reason that Deus ex Machina is frowned upon by writers that have a brain; and these “two uppity cunts” have just demonstrated that they’re amateurs. Beyond the shadow of a doubt.

    • chadwick

      Hrush, What exactly did they not answer for you? Everyone keeps complaining about not having the mysteries solved. They explained pretty much everything but the origin of the island and its correlation to the rest of the earth.

      One cannot expect the answers to those questions its like asking why is the earth here and life exists on it. Ist like asking the meaning of life.

      • Brandon

        Also everyone has their panties in a wad about not getting the answers in the finale. You don’t know what the future holds. SO PLEASE people wait until Darlton comes out of hiding before you overreact. Plus we still have another 20 minutes on the dvd that nobody has seen. Calm down people.

        • Seriously? So, if you went for a movie and the instead of getting the end of the movie you get a notice on the screen that says, “If you want to see the ending, buy the DVD,” you’d calmly walk out the cinema and wait for the DVD?

          That 20 minutes on the DVD is just going to be more soap operatic bullshit. They’re just dangling it in front of us to squeeze whatever commercial gain they can out of their 6 year diversion.

          • Brandon

            Ummm we did get an ending though and just because it wasn’t the one the you wanted does not make the ending any less valid. Sorry but ending the series giving all the answers would not be as good or as memorable as the ending they left us with which I loved. And the extra 20 minutes is not some ploy to get more dvd sales by the studio. Damon and Carlton came up with this to give the fans answers. The answer part just did not fit with the theme of this final season which I completely understand. It was about the characters.

  • drewactor

    This is my first time posting on any Lost blog site for the entire run of the show. I feel like I need to post my thoughts to not only vent but to have some closure. I have been a huge fan of the show since the first season and have loved almost every moment of it up to the this last season. I think many people, including myself that were let down by the end of the show were not only upset by the ending but upset and frustrated with the entire 6th season. I think the show’s ending arc did not do justice to either the mythology of the show nor the characters and here are my reasons why:

    I know that many people have said that the show is about the characters and that is what everyone should concentrate on and not the answers to all the questions that the writers raised. This bugs me because is it just me or do other people feel that the entire sixth season not do a good job of developing and/or ending many character arcs?

    Sun/Jin: These characters had almost nothing to do for the entire sixth season. They were searching for each other the entire time, only to come together and die almost immediately after finding each other. They really had no character development since season 5, they didn’t grow at all during season six and I am sorry but no parent would ever willingly die leaving a behind their child. Sun would, at the very least have asked Jin to leave her to take care of their child, and he could have left the island at the end with Kate, Claire, and the rest.

    Sayid: This character that I loved had no development either. He basically died in the very beginning of season six only to be resurrected and have no emotions, a slave to the man in black. For me, it takes more than one small scene with Desmond speaking to Sayid to turn him back to good. In fact it was never explained how Desmond was able to do this. Then, Sayid does not act any different up until the point where he grabs the bomb and blows himself up. I think this was a good idea that was poorly executed and needed more screen time to fully develop his transformation from evil back to good, otherwise it looked rushed and forced.

    Sawyer: He didn’t need to be in season six at all. He was upset about Juliet in the beginning, went off with Flocke, and really didn’t have any impact on the story in any way this season expect for the fact that he, inadvertently, caused the explosion on the sub. Now if he had been given time to process his actions and changed by either sacrificing himself to save someone from Flocke or something of that nature that would have brought his character more development and closure, but nothing like that happened.

    Claire: She really got screwed in the “character” department. She was gone from the show since the end of season 4 and she spent the entire sixth season crazy. I realize that having her change back to “normal” Claire would not have been very believable but her character needed something more to justify bringing her back into the story because otherwise she didn’t need to be brought back. I mean is she really going to be able to take care of Aaron when she gets back to civilization and be able to explain where she was and why with her current mental state she should be fit to parent a child, probably not.

    Locke: The end of this character upset me the most. Yes I wanted them to be able to bring Locke back to life at the end and have him help save the day in order to bring some redemption to him. As they left his character he died a broken man who was used by MIB. Again for me, his character needed more than a simple conversation with Jack and Ben in the alt universe/purgatory to bring closure to such a great character taken away from the audience too soon.

    I will agree that Jack, Ben, Hurley, and for the most part Kate had good endings and character development. My problem is that most of them did not.

    For me personally, time should have been spent on the sixth season developing and ending the characters journey in more detail and a more fulfilling way for the writers to earn that ending.

    If the writers were going to end the show by not answering many of the mysteries they set up, and basically tell everyone that they should worry about character over answers then why did they set up so many interesting questions? Yes, in the grand scheme of things we do not need answers to, the lighthouse, the cabin, the temple, the stealing of children, why the island was able to move in time, etc. But we want them and if they weren’t going to answer them why raise them at all? One of the main questions I had and still have is why did they make such a big deal about people not allowing MIB/Jacob to talk to them? This question was asked many times with Sayid and Dogen, Richard and MIB, and never answered. Also when Desmond pulled the plug it seemed like he essentially negated MIB’s powers which stand to reason that Jack’s island protector powers were negated as well. Therefore MIB was mortal, he had no power so allowing him to get off the island would not matter because he had no power was simply a man at that point. Also Jack should have had no power as well so therefore he could not pass that power to Hurley with the “light” unplugged. I guess what I am saying is if the sixth season was going to come down to character over answers then too much time was spent on insignificant things like, all the time spent in the temple, the introduction of the lighthouse, ect.

    I think the introduction of MIB and Jacob this late in the life of the series muddied up the story too much. They needed to be introduced way earlier like season 3 or 4 and developed further at that time. If this had been done then I think the show would have ended better because they would not have, in only 18 episodes, had to explain the entire history of MIB/Jacob, their relationship to the characters, build tension and suspense, end each of the numerous main characters stories, etc. Again, for me the sixth season was disappointing because I never really felt, until around episode 16 that the show was actually coming to an end. The entire season should have felt like the story was drawing to a close and it simply didn’t.

    Unfortunately the show is now irrevocably tainted for me. I have never felt this upset at the end of series or nor let down so much by the writers. Now, like the Sopranos (though to be clear the Lost finale was no were near as bad as the Sopranos was) I will forever associate Lost with the unfortunately bad sixth season and ending and it will negatively impact my joy and appreciation of the show as a whole.

    • chadwick

      I understand your disappointed but you are a minority my friend. Look at the polls. I feel it is unfortunate that season 16 is so tainted for you and that you are so literal and have to have everything spelled out for you to appreciate a story.

    • Lisa

      Thank you for putting into words my exact sentiments! This has also marred my appreciation for the show as a whole.

  • Jack

    What an ending! I never saw it coming. Who knew that Jack Bauer would be able to get the Smoke Monster to spill everything. Good thing Ben Linus was a triple agent with the Purgatory branch of CTU!

    Wait… I think I’m getting my finales confused. 🙂

  • johr77

    here is a question and answer.

    1. Why could women not have babies?

    A. Because Dead people cant have kids.

    2. why did such and such happen ….
    A. Because Dead people cant do whatever it was that happened

    3. why …. ….
    A. Because Dead people cant

    4. why …. ….
    A. Because Dead people cant

    5. why …. ….
    A. Because Dead people cant

    hope that’s right, thats what i get any way.

    • OtherJacob

      This seems to be a common mis-conception – everything that happened on the island was real. Christian Shephard was very clear about this when describing the situation to Jack.

      • Brandon

        Yeah seriously. I can’t believe the people that think they were dead on the island the whole time. How did you make it this far in the series? Listen to OtherJacob and go rewatch that scene again. He clearly stated the island was real and that all happened.

        • johr77

          ahh… to bad then.

          at least that was a cheesy answer,
          although it was a good one for no babies.
          now i have no answer to the whole show again.

          yea i rewatched and now it seems that they didnt answer everything by everyone was dead….

          they just didnt answer anything.
          how could there be no sequel?
          they never told us anything about the island.
          i was thinking the light in the cave was the light they walked through at the end.

          well that’s even worse than the cheesey answer i thought they gave us.

          • Brandon

            Ok, now I know why you didn’t understand it since it seems you don’t have a full grasp on the english language yet.

          • johr77

            good thing i dont work in writing or such then,

            but trust me i communicate fine 🙂

          • johr77

            oh, and please feel free to tell me why the women couldn’t have babies.

            that is if you know…

            thanks

            sorry for my bad English, hope someone can understand this.

  • DutchPride

    Hi there everyone,

    I’m sorry if these questions have already been posted but I was hoping someone could elaborate on this:

    -Isn’t it rather strange to have the exact same flight from Sydney to LA in the purgatory/sideways universe?? What is the purpose of this? Was it only to make us believe what would have happened with the Losties if the bomb had exploded and the island would have sunk to the bottom?
    -Why was the island itself a part of the purgatory universe and why was it on the bottom of the sea?
    -Aaron is born in the purgatory universe (which sounds kind of strange dont you think?). Does this mean he too had already died in the real world and was ready to move on?
    -How was Desmond able to switch from the real world to the purgatory world and visit all the losties that had yet to have died in the real world. Is this because of the non-existent time-flow that Christian mentioned?

    -One final question: whatever happened to the strange woman who was with the others and read Jack’s tattoos. She seamed real important back then.

    Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts and Cheers from Amsterdam!

    Matt.

    • OtherJacob

      This is my take on the answers for you questions:

      1) As Christian said, it’s all about the people. Since Jack met everyone on the island, it stands to reason that his purgatory experience would start on flight 815 again. Since it doesn’t crash, anyone that he met on the island that wasn’t on 815 he meets through other means.

      2) Not entirely sure – at the same time though, this is more just a plot device than anything else. I guess you could argue it’s just a hint from the writers as to what’s going on.

      3) Christian said that there is “no ‘now’ here” and that many people died long after he (Jack) did. That means that Aaron could have lived to be 150, but when he passed on, he went to purgatory as a new-born baby.

      4) Best I can gather, in Happily Ever After, Desmond died momentarily(?) and experienced the purgatory. When his purgatory self encountered Penny, he returned to the real world, but his purgatory self “awakened” to the fact that he was dead and felt a need to help everyone else realize this as best he could.

      5) Dunno, but if I remember right, she was in the episode that Darlton use as the prime example of “stall-mode”, so I don’t think she was really all that important. For arguments sake, lets just say that the Black Smoke got her.

  • Super-G

    I have some more questions which may seem quite small in the grand scheme of things but by the end of the final episode I was hoping for more information about Jacob & MIB and how they influenced our characters and events on the island.

    Q1. Who was in Jacob’s Cabin when Locke & Ben first went to visit? – Locke hears him say “Help Me”. Who was that? Jacob or MIB?

    Q2. Why does ‘he’ ask Locke for help?

    Q3. Whoever it was appeared to be trapped inside the ring of ash, but we had seen the smoke monster many times before and after, so I’m guessing it wasn’t MIB. But if it was Jacob in the cabin then why when Ilana and Bram go to the cabin does she say “he is not there, someone else has been using it”?

    Q4. Who broke the ring of ash?

    Thanks

    • 1. MIB
      2. He doesn’t really, it’s because he wanted Ben to get jealous that Locke heard “Jacob”
      3. He wasn’t ever trapped, the ring was always broken. Remember at these points Jacob was alive so it could only have been MIB
      4. Why does that matter?

  • DharmaDave

    First, I loved the finale. I thought it was great, emotional, funny at times and action packed. And I liked the fact that they did not explain the island. I think the writers were trying to make a point with not giving Flocke a name. When you name something extra-ordinary you de-mystify it. What is the fun in de-mystifying the mysterious. I think leaving the light and the electro magnetism and the island a mystery so that it can be disected and discussed long after last sunday night is a brilliant way to keep the fun of Lost alive.

    • Mack

      My impression is that they didn’t give him a name because he has no name. The smoke is a representation of malevolence. As much as the smoke monster would like to believe other wise; it is a what and not a who. Consider that the smoke monster was created out of an act of anger.

  • DharmaDave

    Here is my own theory of some of the island mythology for all you answer nuts:

    When the universe was created, it was created through massive amounts of energy created through the big bang. From that energy all of the planets were formed. Earth formed around that energy. All land mass at first was formed around that energy when the earth was in Pangaea. So all of the land on our planet surrounded that energy, and was a part of that energy. Through continetal drift, land masses broke off from the whole and eventually formed the continents that we know today. The piece of land that held this energy in its belly, was isolated from the rest of the world through continental drift, becoming an island, The Island.

    This energy is where all life on earth comes from. It is where all life returns to when it dies. It holds all of human experience in it. It holds knowledge of all time and space. Without this light, all life on earth will cease to exist, this light is where we come from, and where our conscienceness returns to when we die, if this light were to go out, not only will life cease to exist, but our afterlife would cease to exist. This energy/light is god, the devil, Buddha; it is the mystery of life and afterlife.

    Being isolated as an island, this light was protected. However, thousands of years ago, the island was discovered by man, probably by a ship wreck, or some other kind of accident. These people realized the island held unique properties and searched for the source to harness those properties, or to worship the source as a god. They found the cave that the water flowed from and the light and some went down there willingly to investigate, or more likely was violently forced down into the light as a sacrifice by these primitive people to the god of the light. That person became the first smoke monster. The light is pure energy and contains the consciousness of all the dead. It was never mean to be absorbed by organic matter. The result of combining organic matter that contained human consciousness with the energy is for the human’s consciousness to split form his/her body and to become pure consciousness while absorbing some of the energy from the light which gives it the ability to manipulate itself into the form of any person whose consciousness was absorbed by the light in their death, and also the ability to read the minds of the living.

    Most likely this was a virgin girl, as was usually the custom for a sacrifice. This person killed all of her people as vengeance for her loss of humanity. She also realized what this light was, or had her own ideas of what is was, and appointed herself guardian of the light. (Maybe these people were the Egyptians who built the temple and the statue).

    Many many years later, she grew weary of her lonely position and longed for companionship and a successor, and (much like Jacob did to the losties) willed someone else to come to the island. These new people were instantly killed except for a little girl, who eventually became Jacob and the MiB’s “mother”. “Mother”s “mother” raised her to believe in the importance of the mission of protecting the island and to distrust the nature of man. She forced mother down into the light so that she would become a smoke monster and have the power to defend the light from any men who might locate the island. Mother then was forced to kill her mother, and live alone on the island and protect it, until she became weary of the island and her role and sought a successor. She then willed Claudia’s boat to wreck on the island and stole her twin boys so that she may raise them, for one of them to take over for her as island protector. (And we saw how that story played out)

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  • Brandon

    Ok people who think they were all dead on the island (which they weren’t)

    How do you explain people dying on the island? I didn’t know you could be killed when you were already dead.

    • Joe

      Brandon,
      not saying that the idea of them surviving the plane crash isn’t viable. But what if since they didn’t know they were dead they acted as they did during life,thinking that bullets or explosives could kill them… the example being that Saied killed those men holding Jin in the back of the restaurant in the side-verse didn’t he? If that was a created world why could the island not equally be created? A test of character lets say. Some believe that hell is only a manifestation of what the people in there believe they deserve. That they could go to the light if they just forgave themselves. Again this is not a concrete idea just an interpretation. An interesting side question? Why did Jack in the side-verse bleed from his neck when the Locke-ness monster tried to cut his throat in their final fight?

      • Brandon

        First let me just start with the one piece of concrete evidence to disprove all the theories that they died from the plane crash.

        In the last scene with Jack and Christian, Christian says to Jack, “Everything that has ever happened to you is REAL” That is a very intentional statement made for the viewers because Damon and Carlton knew this finale would spark debate as to whether or not they were dead the whole time. Also they have said in the past that the island is not purgatory.

        Second, lets use Jack’s life as an example. It does not make sense for him to have died in the original plane crash. This would make the island “purgatory” and he would be here to work out all of his problems. He would then work them out and in the end not cross over to the next life but instead die again?? He then would move on to “purgatory round 2” where he would work out more problems by creating a son in his head to get closure on the father he would be. Logically speaking, that would just not make any sense.

        • Joe

          I hate to be the type of person who says *nerd voice*” Well, actually…. If you listen you hear them breathing” 🙂 but if I were to nit pick.
          Jack asks ” Are you real?”
          Christian replies ” I sure hope so… yeah, I’m real, you’re real, everyone in the church they’re real too”
          So even though they are dead, they are real not a figment of a delusional mind. I will admit though that a stronger statement to support your, and a lot of others if not a large majority, notion of Lost is when
          Christian says ” The most important part of your life you spent with these people.”
          This statement really implies a delineation between life and death. Though I would again in *nerd voice* probably counter with ” Uh… life goes on. Does one think that there was any difference to the life Jack lead while dead to the one he led while alive? Didn’t he go to work? Perform Surgery? Father a Child? All while he was dead? Didn’t Sun and Jin travel from Korea? Get harangued by the customs official all while being dead? Are their lives over now or just moving to another phase?.” Very hard to keep that nasal voice going 🙂
          If you allow me one more crazy though. Hurley tells Ben he doesn’t know what he’s supposed to do. Ben says that he should do what he does best, help people. Help what people? Crazy island scavengers? Visitors? Lost souls? What if the island under Hurley became the side verse? and the light that comes from beyond the doors is actually the light that comes from the center of the island? Whoa!!! did I blow your mind? Hahaha… probably not. But it’s a idea I had floating around and wanted to share. Most likely you and the others are right. But it seems more meaningful to me if they died. I don’t know why.

  • gracieatthebeach

    I never understood the significance of Penelope’s father… what was his interest and history on/with the island and Ben? And why did Said go around killing people for him back in the “real” world after he left the island?

    • gracieatthebeach

      Also, why did Desmond run over Locke with his car while he was also rounding up everyone else for the cross-over?

      • Joe

        I’m by no means an expert. But Locke refused Jack’s treatment so Desmond forced the treatment on him with the accident which triggered Locke’s true memories. Or so I believe.

        • Joe

          Oops… I think that I have that timeline a little confused. So much happened 🙂 I’ll just say that Desmond started Locke on his path to his eventual realization at the hands of Jack. Sorry for the confusion.

  • Joe
  • katieb817

    I’m still confused about the temple scenes and think that could have been removed from the season, anyone else beg to differ? Why was it necessary to introduce the Dogen and John Lennon to us? Please help me.

    • Stephan

      Yes the Temple definitely should’ve been cut out or it should’ve been presented a lot better than the producers did. The whole Sayid is a zombie story line really bothered me. What was the actual purpose of him being a zombie only to be the regular Sayid at the end of the season?

  • KerriBeeLost

    I agree, Katie. All that bit about testing Sayid in such a cruel way, and the water in teh temple, which I think is connected to the water in teh stream , but how?
    No, I don’t want the magical part explained, because that would cheapen it, just some connections about why the people thought they had to do what they did.

  • Lisa

    If this show was just or mainly about the characters, I seriously doubt I would have completed the first season.

    It was the lure of the power and mystery surrounding the island that dragged me all the way. The characters were just a sideshow that was essential to uncovering the mysteries of the island.

    I wasn’t disappointed to see most of the Original characters together swooning with love, but no way should that have been the BIG reveal in Season 6 or in the whole series.

    I’m going to need therapy to get over this disappointment. I feel as if my intelligent has been insulted. The ending was fuzzy wuzzy and I got love, which is nice, but I signed up for sci-fi, fantasy and adventure, with a big dose of logic and continuity. You guys loving this ending got your finale, but I’m still waiting.

    • Lisa

      Sorry, that should have been *intelligence*.

      • Brandon

        Haha yeah I think thats why they threw that long con statement in there by sawyer. They made us believe it was about the island when it wasn’t. Tricky tricky.

  • m104

    A new Series Finale made by a fan.

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  • James

    “Waiting for Annie”?
    Come on. Why is everybody so obsessed with Annie? She was a random girl who happened to be friends with one of the characters. So what? She was less important and less relevant than Helen Norwood or Harper Stanhope (Annie got much less screen time than Helen and was infinitely less relevant to the story than any of the two). Still, there is a legion of zombies out there obsessed with finding out whatever happened to one of the most circumstantial, unimportant characters. Think of it this way: what would be different in LOST if character X simply did not exist? In the case of Annie, the answer is NO-THING.