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The Lostometer is In! LOST 6.04 – The Subtitute Rocks

By docarzt,

  Filed under: Lost
  Comments: 29

According to TheODI’s Lostometer – which I’m proud to participate in – The Substitute is the highest rated episode of LOST so far.

From TVFrenzy:

  • dolce

    One of the best ever. I hope the entire last season stays on par with The Substitute.

    • Funback Joe

      I dont think it will, and I dont mean that in a mean cynical way or anything. It will be tough to stay on that plateau consistently. I am confident it will still be excellent, especially since we have a Jack episode next week.

  • You posted What Kate Does with a C+ last week. What gives?

    • MiNaeClem

      It seems more sites decided to contribute since then.

      Also Doc Arzt is misspelled. =)

    • DocArzt

      B+ not C+

      • Thanks for getting Noel in there Doc!

        • BTW – I’m “We want our film to be beautiful not realistic” on the AV Club if anyone joins us.

        • DocArzt

          The credit goes to ODI, he’s organizing this. I just reprint it. 😀

  • rivum

    how anyone could rate “what kate does” higher than “the substitute” (as sawyer840 has done) is beyond me. i mean, “what kate does” was a good episode in my book, but “the substitute” just blew it away on every possible level.

    • Jack

      I personally agree, cuz I like “What Kate Does” better than “The Substitute”

  • Funback Joe

    I would also say expectations are playing a great deal into this. LA X was excellent and when What Kate Does was just good, people found it to be terrible. But coming off a terrible week, people saw an EXCELLENT episode and are once again going nuts. I worry that there may be backlash next week if the episode isnt absolutely brilliant

  • Dharma77

    No season of Lost has 100% amazing episodes (although S4 came mighty close), but Substitute more than makes up for WKD. Its not so much the answers, its the rapid developments in The Substitute that it earns its praise.

    • GeigerCounter

      Personally I found S5 to be better than S4.
      That whole return of Micheal thing didn’t work at all i my opinion and it hurt the season.
      First of all, we all knew Micheal would be the guy on the boat for months in advance. So no surprise there. His flashback episode was average at best. His role was small and pretty unimportant. Then he died.
      Season five did not have problems like this.

      • Fyfy Lord

        True, but then, season 5 had a lot of other problems to make up for it.

        • GeigerCounter

          namely?

          • Uncle Beaver

            Season 5 is the SECOND best season of the series… At least, I think so.

            SEASON 2 was the best. Here’s why:

            The first 3 episodes, taken as a whole, are my FAVORITE, of the whole series. It introduces us to, and sets up the whole DHARMA thing.

            THE HATCH!! Who doesn’t love the Hatch?

            We meet Mr Eko… easily one of MANY Lost fans favorites.

            We meet “Henry Gale”… or Ben. Again, easily one of MANY Lost fans favorites.

            Then there’s Desmond. We don’t get enough of him, but we are definitely wanting MORE!

            The whole Jack/Locke conflict gets underway.

            Fuck all the haters… I LIKED Ana Lucia.

            THE HATCH!! Who doesn’t love the Hatch?

            We get our first IMPORTANT glimpse of the smoke monster when he confronts EKO. Again… easily one of MANY Lost fan’s favorite episodes.

            We get teased about the “OTHERS”. And let’s face it, getting teased, and hypothesizing about all this shit is half the fun.

            Did I mention the fucking HATCH!?

            I don’t know why Season 5 is my second fav (so far)… If I can find some more booze, maybe I’ll let you know.

          • Uncle Beaver

            .. gotta stop posting drunk..

  • Hexonxonx

    Every reviewer graded 603 lower than 601-602 except three who rated it the same. Of those three, two (Karen and LOST Blog) have rated each episode identically and thus offer no information. The third (Sawyer840) is the *only* reviewer to rate 604 below 603. At some point in the season The ODI should consider trimming the sample to removed reviewers who don’t demonstrate any preferences among episodes or are consistently contrarian. This isn’t about silencing dissent, it’s about creating a valid metric.

    For those defending What Kate Does, it wasn’t just the lack of answers that made people dislike the episode. It was the ploddingly slow pace, the implausible character motivations, the poor dialogue, and the fact that Kate is an uninteresting and frustrating character portrayed with subpar acting.

    • rivum

      tell us what you really think! 🙂

    • I completely agree with what you just said.

    • Fyfy Lord

      I agree with you about the bad writing and pacing from last week’s episode, but I will never understand the “subpar acting” claim. She’s fantastic in the role–the problem is the writing of Kate, not the actor portraying her.

      • Cody

        I agree. I find the character annoying but that’s because of the writing not the acting.

  • notsoshaggy

    I agree with Funback Joe. The Substitue is becoming as overrated an episode as What Kate Does was ridiculously slagged.

    (Though The Sub was better, no question.)

    • Seabiscuit

      Word.

  • The great thing about LOST is that one fan can think an episode is the greatest, while another may think it is just OK. My mom loved What Kate Does and thought it was really good, while I thought it was just average. On the other hand, I thought The Substitute was amazing, but she liked WKD better. It’s all in the eye of the beholder, no sense calling an episode over or under rated.

    • GeigerCounter

      I think it’s because some like the characters and others like the mythology.

  • kaptan36

    Oh man, I love the show, but you could write a whole book about all the continuity errors and errors from dropped plotlines and such. Someone should put up a post of the top 20 mistakes/errors in Lost continuity history. The whole Michael off island stuff and Ethan’s timeline would def have to be at the top of the list.

  • kaptan36

    Where to begin…. 1.) Jack’s beard timeline in season 4-5: Minor, I know, but when Locke visits Jack off island in the hospital, Jack has roughly 2 weeks worth of facial hair. Locke is killed roughly a few days after this, and then his funeral must be within a few days after that. When Jack goes to the funeral parlor he has 6 months worth of beard if not more, not to mention that the week in between he some how manages to take quite a few flights hoping to crash, becomes addicted to pills and booze, loses his job, tries suicide, saves a crash victim, gets visited by his ex wife, etc., etc….. There is just way too much of a problem with this timeline for me to explain here, but if you go back and watch this, you will agree major timeline screw up.

    2.) ETHAN’s timeline. They reveal in season 5 Ethan was born in 1977. Flight 815 crashes in 2004. You mean to tell me that when he infiltrates the camp, that Ethan is only 27??? Really? C’mon man! And where did he get all of this medical experience if no one is allowed to leave the island? In a deleted scene, Ethan even tells Jack that he had a wife who died during childbirth; while this could’ve been a lie, I don’t think that was the intent, what with him working to cure the fertility problem and all. The only reasonable explanation for this would be some kind of off island accidental time travel and he aged when returned sorta thing, but that’s a huge stretch.

    3.) Michael & Walt’s off island adventures: The timeline between when they leave and when Michael returns is absolutely absurd, not to mention all the stuff that happens in between. So if you do the math, only 2 weeks, maybe 3, pass between when Michael & Walt leave and when Naomi parachutes onto the island from the freighter, which Michael is on. Now keep in mind that it probably would have taken a week for the freighter to even get to the vicinity of the island from California, where I am guessing they must have left from; not to mention the day of flying Michael would’ve had to do to get there, because I believe he lived in New York. Anyways… In that time frame, Michael & Walt steer their crappy little boat to rescue(which they never explain), or if you find it more plausible, let’s say in a day’s time they manage to hit another island. Okay, then how with no money or passports do they get home? They couldn’t have taken a flight or any legitimate means of travel without the red flag of flight 815 survivors going up. So you would assume that unless there was some help from the Others(which would be totally contrary to the story), then they would have probably had to have stowed away on a freighter or something just to get back to the states undetected. Which in itself is ironic, because the best way to have explained the whole thing would have been for them to have been picked up by Widmore’s freighter, Michael just simply tells them he’s a flight 815 survivor and about the island, they hold him against his will onboard to help them find the island and take Walt (via helicopter) off the freighter and to the nearest island (since the actor was now a teenager and couldn’t be on camera). Maybe even the boat Michael had taken off the island had instructions from Ben about the freighter and what he would have to do and say when they picked him up, and I’m sure the writers could have found some way Ben could’ve connived him into doing it. I am an amateur writer, and that is a way better explanation and would have also been easier and cheaper to film, but this is what we got; In 3 weeks Michael & Walt manage their implausible journey back to the states undetected. Michael drops Walt off with his mom, and manages to get a job, an apartment, and car, without accessing his own bank account(once again, red flag) and tries to kill himself a few times, and is visited by Mr. Friendly, who also if you do the math out, should have been killed at this point by Sawyer. There is no way, Mr. Friendly could have left the island, met up w/ Michael, and gotten back in time to be killed by Sawyer. Ugh… Man I’m getting exhausted just thinking of every angle in which this plotline was god awful. Once again if you wanted to see what I’m talking about watch seasons 3 & 4, do out the math of the days, and everything that happens and you’ll see what I mean.

    There are many other huge plotholes and problems with the continuity; some which are the faults of the writers (like the setup of Pierre Chang to be the Montand who is missing an arm Rousseau talks about in season 1, and he shows up w/ a prostetic arm in season 2, but never actually loses an arm and the 2 are never connected?!?!); and some which weren’t the fault of the writers, sorta(like most of the religious overtones and the church that never gets built, because at the height of his fame the actor who plays Eko, decides to leave the show to make and star in an autobiographical movie about his own life which then becomes a straight to dvd movie released only in select countries, mostly 3rd world. Way to go with the career choice there buddy).
    Now I know it sounds like I’m bashing the show and the writers, and maybe I’m bashing the writers a bit, but for a show that relies so heavy on continuity and purposely has the audience looking for little things that tie the story together, these things that I’ve mentioned are just major plotholes that could’ve been easily avoided if more care was taken. Having said that, I still love the show, and I will even go as far as saying I think it is the best sci-fi show and primetime drama of all time, with an amazing cast; but you take the good w/ the bad, and this is just me pointing out the bad.

  • ryan

    I may not fully understand what you’re getting at, but Pierre Chang and Montand are two different people, and they showed how both of them lost their arms (montand by smokie and pierre by the drill at the swan site during the incident). As far as I know, they never intended on revealing that Pierre Chang was Montand. Also, I’m pretty sure that the actor playing Eko left the show initially because of family reasons (as far as all the information I’ve heard over the last 3 years).

    In terms of continuity (for michael and walt), you’re totally right, but I just look at some of it as time incongruency (because time doesn’t work the same on the island… Faraday’s test for example).