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Lost Discussion/Spoilers – Flashing Forward to Follow the Leader

By professorstotch,

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richardFirst things first…this is a preview post for tonight’s episode. If you’ve avoided spoilers so far, then you’ll want to stay away. This post will contain spoilers as well as information from the recently released sneak peaks. For those of you who still with us…let’s go!

You’re 46?

Hurley this season has been awesome. That’s pretty much all that needs to be said. The way he answers Chang’s questions, and then just buckles under too much pressure is an amusing sight. But what I’m more excited to see here is the reaction Chang will have when he ultimately realized that Miles is his son. I’m sure he’s suspected it before. The guy knows all about time travel, and seems to 100% believe that it’s possible. But I don’t think he’s ever considered the outcomes of it. That first interaction they’re going to have as a father/son pairing should be fairly cool. I wonder if Chang will be disappointed to learn that the son of a legit scientist ends up being nothing more than a taxi driver. Maybe that brain power doesn’t run in the family. Then again, Miles did seem to have somewhat of a grasp on the time travel concepts while discussing them with Hurley a fe episodes back. Maybe there’s still more to Miles than meets the eye. I’m curious to see the whole Chang forcing his wife and child off the island thing go down this week. It’ll probably be held off to next week though, save all the touching moments for the finale.

Speaking of finale…

We’re just a week away now! How crazy is that? It just feels like this season has flown by. Is it just me, or does if feel like yesterday that we were watching Hurley throw a Hot Pocket at Ben while saying he’s never going back to the island? My how things have changed! We’re now left with just three hours in season five, and I still feel like we have a ton to get resolved. The whole Locke/Ben/Sun thing seems like it’d take multiple hours to sort out on it’s own. But we’ll get to that later on. We also have to see if Jack’s able to stop the Incident. We have to get through an island evacuation. There’s just so much going on! I wish we had a teeny bit more time to get these things wrapped up. I’m sure it’ll be fine, the Lost gods have not steered us wrong so far.

The whole Locke/Ben/Sun thing…

What is going on with this?! I’m sorry to say it, but I feel like this is just dragging on and on and on, with no resolution in sight. We get about one scene or so each episode to advance this section of the plot, and that’s it. Everyone in 1977 is moving at full speed ahead, but everyone in the present/maybe future/we don’t really know yet, seems to be dragging their feet in the sand. For me, this is a perfect representation of the “Old Lost” compared to the “New Lost.” Remember in the days of the Old Lost, when it would take half a season to resolve an issue? We’d sit for so long looking at the hatch, just itching to know what’s inside of it. Then finally, at the start of the next season, we’d learn what it was all about. With the New Lost, things are much different. We’d be full speed ahead, telling you what’s in that hatch in two episodes. I’m not complaining here, I liked both versions of Lost, old and new. I just wish we’d settle on one middle ground version. You can’t have one group going 100 miles an hour, and then the other group taking six episodes to walk across the beach. I’m just hoping we get some resolution in this story soon.

I watched them all die…

Ok, so Richard knows what’s going down. My assumption here is that he’s referring to watching them all die in 1977. Given the fact that Sun is holding the picture and all, I don’t really feel like this can be interpretted any other way. So taking it as it is, how are they all going to die? And when he says all, does he really mean all of them? Jack, Kate, Hurley, Jin, etc. Because no offense to the Lost gods here, but I have a little bit of a hard time believing that they’re all going to be dead at the end of the season. I mean, it could happen, I won’t rule anything out on this show…but even for Lost, it’d be a little out there to kill the majority of it’s main cast before the last season. I don’t think they’re all going to die. I don’t even think Richard believes they’re all dead. I’m going to go out on a limb here, and say that Richard is lying. He’s covering up something that happened in the past by saying that they’re all dead. What if this happened…what if the Incident goes down as planned, and all those who travelled back end up stuck there, realizing that they can’t change anything. And with this, they realize that it’s their destiny to stay on the island and help guide others to their destiny. They’d become something like overseers for the island, always influencing things to make sure things continue to happen. Now I’m going to go even further out on that limb (I hope it doesn’t snap) and say that Jacob is in the same situation here. The difference with Jacob though, is that he’s been doing the opposite. He’s been trying to change the past, and make the perfect future. All his time traveling back and forth has caused him to become unstuck in time, and that’s the Jacob we saw in the cabin. So what if the war that’s coming isn’t something between Dharma and the Hostiles, but rather between those who are trying to change the past, and those who are trying to keep everything the same? Jack vs. Jacob. Science vs. Faith. Jack thinking that science dictates that nothing can be changed. Jacob on the faith side thinking that we have the free will to change the past and influence the future. Hmmmm…

Jack…your nose is bleeding…

So Jack’s going to get the crap kicked out of him. Which frankly…he deserves. Now, I’m a full blown Jack fan, in case some of you couldn’t tell. I’ve been a Jack fan since the very first eye opened up in the Pilot. But to be honest here, Jack’s been being kind of a douche this past season. And it’s about time some one started knocking some sense into him. The only downside to this, is that it seems like it’s not going to work. Despite the fact that he just saw Faraday get killed, and then he gets his face smashed in, and he’s still trying to convince Kate that this bomb needs to go off so they can change things! Come on, Jack! Now one thing I do agree with here. When he tells Kate that enough of the past has been miserable, he’s obviously referring to his memories of her. And can you really blame him for being so cold towards her? She’s done nothing but screw around with him since season one, and to be quite honest here, it’s been kind of miserable for a lot of us watching. I’m not trying to start some kind of shipping war here, all I’m saying is that Kate sucks. And referring to the last paragraph on Richard. I really wish he would’ve said “Yeah I remember them…they were all there when Kate got killed.” That would’ve been a nice touch. Right!?

Now since we’re on the subject of Jack, I want to bring up something that was brought to my attention a while back. A good pal of mine, who guys by the name of Clueless1der, pointed something out to me back in the middle of the season that I feel becomes more and more accurate as time goes on. She had mentioned that it’s possible that the Lost gods are purposely making Jack out to be a wicked douche this season, because they’re setting him up for his walk on the road to redemption in season six. Now, like I said, it seems like as the season goes on, this is becoming more of a reality. I know there are people who really think Jack’s going to die at some point, but I just kind of shrug it off. In the end, the story of Lost ultimately boils down to being a story about Jack, and his character. And I agree that we are seeing these things like Jack’s drug addiction, and his douchieness, because in the end we’re going to see his road to redemption.

Richard builds ships in a bottle.

Those things are hard…and they take a lot of time and patience. Good thing Richard has a lot of both. After last week’s episode, I realized that I had no idea what character centricity (is that a word?) this week was supposed to have. So I marched my way over to, and checked it out. Come to find out, it’s supposed to be Richard-centric! I was excited about this news. Then I realized that this doesn’t necessarily mean we’d be getting Richard flashbacks. All it really means is Richard will probably be the central character of the episode. But I’m still hoping for flashbacks. I was glad that they returned to flashbacks as their main plot device, and I hope that continues this week. There’s so much to Richard that could be explained, and I’m just waiting for it. You know what would be cool? Reverse flashbacks. Usually they’re told in chronological order, but it’d be cool if we could see them told in opposite order, with the last one showing us one of the earliest moments in Richard’s life, and showing us just how old he really is. I know that’d be a ton to ask for, but it’d be pretty cool.

RIP Daniel

Let’s take a moment of silence for Daniel Faraday.



So what’s everyone else feeling for tonight? Any good theories or predictions you want to throw out there? The only thing I’ll ask…there are a couple “detailed synopses” I’ve seen teased out there. I personally haven’t read them, but if you have, then please avoid laying anything too heavy in the comments. Thanks!

  • stweedle

    Has anyone figured out what Ben took out of the A/C vent when he and Jack were leaving the hotel room?

    • dust

      no, i guess that is something not many viewers are worried about…

    • Charlie’s Ghost

      Logic tells me it was the gun he brought to the marina to shoot Penny with, since as he was extracting it from the vent he said that he had to go keep a promise, etc.

      • stweedle

        D’oh, didn’t even think of that. Guess you get caught looking into every little detail you can’t see the forest for the trees.

    • drfitz44

      I would guess it is the gun he used to shoot Des

  • Jack Daniels


    • Seabiscuit

      This. XD

  • grasspike

    I have been thinking about this for a while now, The story is coming to such a major head that I wonder of there is going to be a Season 6. How cool would it be if they were able to change everything and do what Daniel said and the last 15 seconds of next weeks show is Jack’s eye opening up on the plane then instead of seeing “lost” and boom. We see “The End” and boom

    • b

      I was thinking about that after last week’s episode as well.

      It seems like there isn’t enough left for a sixth season unless something absolutely insane happens.

      So maybe it works. Maybe Jack does change the past, which changes the future, which is actually his past.

      But maybe Daniel was wrong and Mrs. Hawking was right. Maybe whatever happened, happened. Maybe Jack was supposed to be back on the island because he was the one who caused the incident. Maybe the only reason all that energy at the swan station was released is because Jack and company threw a nuke at it.

      Maybe Jack was supposed to be on the island in 2004, so he needed to go back to the island in 1977 to ensure that the events that led to the crash played out as they were supposed to.

      • Charlie’s Ghost

        you guys are kidding, right? the first three seasons each represented about 30 days of island time each. this past season represented a few days, more or less. they stretched a compact story line across the whole season. yes, it was revealing as darlton is in ‘answer mode’…but i feel like there wasn’t a real lengthy story told during the season like in the past. there’s so much to tell in season 6. many unanswered questions that can’t be left lingering in limbo after the end of show.

      • dust


        1. The told us in the LOST A PARIS-event that we’d learn more about the monster, maybe all we’ll ever know.
        2. It would be the most surprising answer to the over-spoiled finale of season 3 and numerous other episodes.
        3. They kind of said they would show us the full frontal of the statue before the end of the season.
        4. We will learn more about why Christian and Locke are wondering around.
        5. We’ve got quite some answers this season. Some things are left untouched (like why Hurley was on the 316-plane) but that might be like it was meant to be, like “Hey guys, couldn’t you figure out on your own that it was Charlie?”
        6. It looks like it is all coming to an end.
        7. Darlton said S05 was about getting backand why and S06 was about what happened if they got back, pretty much what we’ve already saw, right?
        8. If this weeks episode is Richard-centric it really looks like the end is near.
        9. If we get to see Jacob in this seasons finale, it really looks like the end is near.
        10. It’s like the first year ever where we don’t have a clue about what’s next season gonna be about.


        1. This means in 3 hours LOST is over, for good, noooooooooooo…
        2. If Jack is gonna change the future this means that he isn’t going to be on the island, and that he obviously can’t be motivated to get back to it, hence he can’t be in 1977, or is this just BS because my brain just melted?!…
        3. Darlton would never do this to us, right?
        4. ???

        Have i overlooked something, i must have, more stuff for the “BUT WHY IT COULDN’T POSSIBLY BE THE LAST SEASON”-section would be welcome… 🙁

        • lockeheart

          What is up with all this talk about this being the final season? Is this even a possability? Has it been mentioned offically anywhere that i dont know about? It seems like there are plenty of questions left. Specificly this coming war that has been talking about.

          • dust

            the war is indeed a good point for season 6 but really would this be officially mentioned if it would really be the case that s05 would be the final?

        • Mike

          What if they do change things and season 6 “what happened if they got back” includes what happened if they never crashed to begin with. Imagine the story lines they could come up with if their lives were full of more tragady than we have experienced the past 5 seasons. Jack could be completely wrong about in his assertion that not crashing would have been the better plight.

          • dust

            how would those storylines ever be compatible with the ones on the island?

        • Thank God that we’re being so shortsighted, here!

          The limit is your (or the writers) vast imaginations!

          Between the Egyptian stuff and the fact that someone, somewhere, SOMETIME built a functioning time machine in the shape of the Wheel of Samsara (kudos to that)….

          …we still have to resolve the Valenzetti equation and save humanity from it’s dark urges.

          Now, more than ever, I believe the scope of LOST nothing less than the liberation of of our souls.

    • JJStrange

      But even at this stage in the game and according to Darlton, we STILL don’t have enough information about the show to form a complete analysis. And having read something just a few moments ago (its spoilery so I will not comment further on what I read), I’m certain there is a S6, and THANK GOD, cause frankly, I’m not ready to say G’BYE to LOST just yet. =]

  • Doos

    “Yeah I remember them…they were all there when Kate got killed.” That would’ve been a nice touch. Right!?

    “Well, when I say ‘killed’ I mean ‘slightly mauled by a polar bear’, and then ‘picked up by what you refer to as The Monster’, the ‘Eloise shot her’. Which didn’t make sense, because she was dead by that point. But shoot first, ask questions later, am I right?

    I’m sorry, Sun, what were we talking about? Oh, that’s a neat picture. DHARMA, yeah. I knew those guys. Crazy kids.”

  • Havelock

    Maybe they are all going to die, because it’s the only way to get them back. You know, ressurecting them after 30 years? Maybe that’s the big deal and plot twist for the finale?

    • Mike

      Season one – when they first hear smokey – Rose says “it sounds strangely familure” It was definately a return trip for Rose.

      • dust

        if they would all die it would explain adam and eve at the start of s06

      • It sounds just like the A-Train in NYC…
        …that’s why the funny comment from Ben, when he summons it via bathtub..

        “It’s not a train, John. It doesn’t run on a schedule.”

        • Mike

          Yeah – but Rose doesn’t say “wow that sounds like the A-Train”

          • I guess, if someone was brandishing a lightsaber in your face, you wouldn’t be thinking about how it sounds like a power-line hit with a wrench, either.

  • Michel

    I am also quite excited about this Richard-centric episode for a while (I’m much weaker to spoiler-temptation than you). Richard is, since the beginning of this season, my favorite character, and that was something I needed to define desperately, since the writers completely messed up my original favorite character, Michael. And, while I’m waiting for Walt’s uber-return, I have been getting increasingly interested in Richard. He’s the only one in this #%&@ show who seems to be an excellent person, and not a desperate neurotic with a ton of issues. He’s cautious, wise, resourceful, cooperative and doesn’t seem to have in ill-desire towards anyone. He embodies what Locke should have become: the ultimate Lost-fan… a man of complete faith and patience, without that meaning that he ends up believing anything or anyone. And I wonder what is Richard’s great conflict, and this week’s episode title made it all quite clear for me.

    Despite of all his virtues, Richard is set… by Island law… to serve the Island’s leader. He’s quite superior in many ways to the likes of Widmore, Eloise, Ben and even old-Locke. But he’s not meant to be the leader. And that must be a tasking job.

    • Ed Holden

      Oh, Richard is a very excellent person all right. You know, when he’s not arranging people’s death-by-bus incidents. 😉

      • Michel

        ALLEGEDLY ;). Besides, Ed Burke was an a-hole and you all know it. Naomi, on the other hand, was a seemingly nice girl and got the knife treatment by good-ol’ Locke.

      • donuteyes

        but richard’s not the leader, and ben was the leader at that point. we don’t know if richard set it up, that sort of thing seems to be more in ben’s wheelhouse…

  • I have also been thinking that the “big war” is going to be between people who want to keep the course of history the same and people who want to change it. I think the Shadow of the Statue people are probably the ones who want to change it, seeing as the Others have pretty consistently been trying to keep things the same.

    • Mike

      Yeah – they are “the good guys.”

  • _unknown_

    I believe Richard thinks that they died during the “incident”, but really they were transported to the present time with Sun, Ben, Locke, etc. I bet they are getting ready to walk in right after Richard says he saw them die.

    • I was just about to say that bit about them not really dying, but Richard simply assuming they had done so in The Incident.
      Part of me, however, wants to believe that at least one of them stayed on the island the entire time as well. If it was Jin, it would probably be the most heartbreaking thing they could come up with. Sayid would make me happier, and probably give him more of a purpose on the show.

    • That’s what I think, too.
      Or, something similar…

  • Prediction: Locke and Richard’s ‘errand in the jungle” is to patch up Locke with the gunshot wound in his leg, and to deliver the compass and news of Locke’s death.

    • martin

      WOw, so you read the full synopsis at darks and come here and try to be clever. well done

      • Mike


      • No, actually I used my brain:
        “Newly resurrected Locke finds his way to the big Island and finally catches back up with Richard. Richard asks Locke what happened to him when he pulled that vanishing act after returning from the Orchid. Locke tells him all about his Excellent Adventure and about leaving the Island and dying. Locke tells Richard about being shot by Ethan and being patched up by Richard. Richard doesn’t remember this happening, because it hasn’t happened yet, so he goes hang out by the Drug plane every night until one night he finds a wounded John Locke. He removes the bullet from Locke’s leg, gives him the compass, tells him that he needs to get his friends back and to do that he is going to have to die.”

        From here March 30th 2009.

        Thanks for confirming for me though.

        • DezziesOtherLifeBrotha

          You’re kind of a pompous a%# aren’t you? I like it tho, kudos… I told you so and that, it’s great feeling, being right… no argument there….

          • So let me get this straight.

            Per the request of the author of the article, I make an honest prediction, someone accuses me of fraud, I defend myself with the truth…and I’m the pompous a%#?

            I don’t get it.

          • AstroJones

            Sound to me more like Martin is just a douche. I mean, I read all of imfromthepast’s stuff, and he makes these kinds of predictions all the time. They’re documented all over this site and the ‘lage. I mean, lets give a little bit of credit here, because I watched the sneak peaks and this didn’t even occur to me until Jim said it. Then I was like, “D’oh!”
            I mean, obviously Jim is a pompous ass sometimes, but not in this case. 🙂

          • Well, it’s like I always say, “Great Spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.”

      • JJStrange

        lol…where’s seanie b hiding at? hahaha

    • lockeheart

      that would be friggin awsome. But givin that it is already so close to the finale I think it might have something to do with bringing the losties back (im thinking via the temple somehow). Then again, by using the word errand to describe what they have to do it makes more sense that it would be something somewhat simple like having richard patch his past self up. As oppose to going on a short little errand to bend time and space.

      • Mike

        When you come back from the dead is “bending time and space” really hard? hahha

    • I win! 🙂

  • Mike

    I havn’t heard much clammoring about this so I am going to throw it out there. From episode to episode sometimes some of the acting seems a bit wooden – but there is some great work going on. Terry O’Q and Foxy inparticular (although Jack wears on me terribly). But these guys really capture change in the persona of Jack and Locke. So when Richard says that there seems to be something different about Locke – the viewer has been witnessing this shift in personality/ego/substance of who he was, contra who he now is. And the change is noticable to the viewer without feeling like, “oh, now he is just trying to act super confident.” Same with Jack, from sexually frustrated uberfixer to doped up manic depressed hard rocker, to care free darma janitor to last week when there seemed to be another shift into a more confident leader.

    Heres! To the best show ever!! Well maybe second behind “the Andy Griffith Show” (but i realize that is personal taste hehe)

    • dust

      get LOST

  • Libby’s Ghost

    Nice post; thanks for sharing your thoughts about the spoiler videos. I agree with your prediction that Jack is on some sort of “road to redeemption”. I believe this even more after re-watching episodes 1-6 from season One this past week. [my 12 yr. old and I are starting to RE-watch our DVDs of Season 1-3 in order to stem off any LOST withdrawals once Season 5 is over…LOL!]. Those first few eps. were VERY Jack and Locke-centric. While I don’t want to diminish any of the other characters, I think it still comes down to the man of faith vs. the man of science, and in the end Season 6 will again revolve around Locke and Jack.

  • JJStrange

    “what if the Incident goes down as planned, and all those who travelled back end up stuck there, realizing that they can’t change anything. And with this, they realize that it’s their destiny to stay on the island and help guide others to their destiny.”

    WOW…that just cemented my thoughts on the fact that I believe these are the whispers we keep hearing on the island! The stuck in time/and/or traveling losties. which is why on some of those playback audio snippets of the whispers, we think we recognize some of the ppl’s voices. WOW.

    • professorstotch

      So I just want to point out that I meant to mention the whispers, but I forgot! I agree with you on this though, I also think the whispers are time travelers watching in the jungle. Someday we’ll find out.

    • DezziesOtherLifeBrotha

      Mighty interesting how we have not heard the whispers this season…. Mighty interesting…

  • In the comic book series THE INVISIBLES, there is a woman from the future named Robin.
    When they find her broken time machine that she came in, it is studied by a scientist who, through it, learns how to make it.
    Once he makes it, Robin uses it to travel back in time, in the first place.
    On LOST, I think the island, and it’s energies, are harnessed to make a time machine.
    Perhaps Jacob is the traveller who uses it to try to go back and save humanity from extinction.
    BUT, the important thing is… that the island, the discovery of time-travel (through things like Farraday’s notebook), and the wheel, itself…
    need to be preserved. Also, certain people need to be preserved…
    for this traveller to even exist, at all.
    Perhaps this is why he has a covert group like the others, working to keep elements in place while other elements are rearranged to make the future a better place.
    Just a thought.

  • malakai

    “The difference with Jacob though, is that he’s been doing the opposite. He’s been trying to change the past, and make the perfect future. All his time traveling back and forth has caused him to become unstuck in time, and that’s the Jacob we saw in the cabin”

    People are trying to explain why “Jacob’s eye” is brown in the Cabin but might be a different color when we see him next. I don’t think the dude in the cabin with the beard was Jacob at all. Just another dead guy who “spoke on his behalf” as Christian put it.

    The only character that said the man in the chair was Jacob was Ben and he is not very trustworthy.

    I know Carlton Cuse said we saw “Jacob’s Eye” in the cabin in “The Man Behind the Curtain” commentary. But now I take that as a mislead like “Anakin Skywalker was killed by Darth Vader”.

    I take what Cuse said to be mean that guy was more like “The Mouth of Sauron” in the lord of the rings. “Mouth” was a separate man from Sauron but he was his PR guy and spokesman who was so interconnected with Sauron that his own separate identity was lost, so in a sense when you heard him speak you were listening to Sauron. So what Bearded Guy / Christian see and hear, Jacob sees and hears and they deliver the messages Jacob wants but they aren’t literally Jacob yet “from a certain point of view” they are.

  • lostie48

    I just have to say this because everyone has been talking about how Jack is going to detonate the hydrogen bomb and flight 815 will never crash. But i dont think thats what is going to happen I think that he will detonate the hydrogen bomb but that is what the incident is. I think that they had to push that button every 108 minutes because of what jack will do. I think that if jack does not detonate the bomb that 815 wont crash but if he does then it will crash. I think that when Daniel told Jack about that, that he was just thinking about saving Charlotte and he wasn’t thinking rationally. People have been saying all season whatever Happened, Happened I don’t think they will change that on us all if a sudden.

    • DezziesOtherLifeBrotha

      I think they will, but not just yet. I agree that I believe Daniel was wrong about what exactly the incident was. Perhaps Jack will attempt to detonate the hbomb and fail! and we will see that this failure leads to 815 landing safely and an alternate timeline. Of course, for Jack to realize he made a mistake, he would have to somehow travel back to the future.

      • When Farraday first saw Jughead, he realized that the bomb hadn’t ever gone off, because there wasn’t any fallout in the future.
        So, unless the energies of the Swan cancel out the bomb…
        I don’t think it gets detonated.

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