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Rate and Rant – “The End”

By Koobie,

  Filed under: Lost
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I’ll have my own interpretation of the ending (which I will post in a little bit), but I’m pretty sure Lost is a story we will be dissecting for decades to come. What did you think?

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  • Best episode E V E R. LOST I LOVE YOU (L)

    • TommyT

      I guess my issue with the “they were not dead the whole time” theory is that in the “alt” Claire is dead AND pregnant. Sun is dead and NEWLY pregnant. Everyone was essentially in the same state they were when the plane crashed. Having a hard time ignoring that.

      • Here’s the FLAW Sun got pregnant ON the island..MEANING they couldin’t of been dead the whole time. I believe the idea behind the various states of being is to show how the sideways world/limbo didn’t follow a specific timeline, it just was. We all said it was 2004 because it was before the plane crash but Christian Sheppard spelled it out clearly that there was no “time”. It was a place they created together in their after life to find one another, so it’s perfectly reasonable that Claire would make herself “prego Claire so she can find Charlie or Kate in teh same state she met them in.

  • JJJJacob

    This is the first time I’ve ever voted “Best Episode Ever”. Because it was. It was so great. And if you didn’t like it, let me ask you this: Can you think of a better ending and pull it off as well as Darlton did? I don’t think so. It’s all over, and it was a fantastic ride. A completely fantastic ride.

    • Mack

      “Can you think of a better ending and pull it off as well as Darlton did?”

      That isn’t the point.

      • Logan

        Yeah. Answer a question or two.

        • GeigerCounter

          like who shot at the people in the boat in season 5
          or Walt

          • JJJJacob

            Walt has already been explained – the actor got too tall to put him on.
            And does it matter who shot at them? Maybe it was the men on the island before they got killed by Stepmom. What I’m trying to say is that, I don’t think that any other ending wouldve been executed as well as this ending was. Yes the episode wasnt perfect, but it was damn near close enough for me to say “best episode ever.” Has it occured to you answering every question doesn’t matter? Is it so bad that they left some mystery in the end? No because now we have something to talk about for years.

          • JJJJacob

            As an added point to my last comment, Darlton has said before that the show was about the characters. There is no need to waste time contemplating who built the four toed statue because it doesn’t matter. The mysteries were created as a backdrop to the series, and a damn good one. If you don’t see that… Well I guess that’s your problem. The reunions in last nights episode brought a tear to my eye. Before this episode I’ll admit I was having doubts about the series. It was getting a little to mixed up in itself to be to clear. But this episode fixed all doubts. I’m rewatching it off my DVR right now and am also downloading it on iTunes. 3 dollars for an hour and 45 minutes of Lost in HD is more than worth it.

          • Kevin

            This is actually a reply to JJJJacob below…

            A lot of people make the “the show is about the characters” argument, which I don’t disagree with, but I don’t think that it excuses the end. Here is what I mean:

            * Walt was a major character. Much of the entire first 2 seasons were dedicated to him. But we get no resolution about that character.

            * Smokey has been a fixture since season 1 and is one of the most intriguing characters. They dedicated quite a lot of story time to it and it turns out to be key character in the events that drew everyone together and made them want to “move on together”, but again we get no satisfying resolution to this character.

            * The Island. I think one would be hard pressed to argue that the Island itself wasn’t one of the best characters on this show. Again, it was one of the major players in the events that brought everyone to their little utopia, but we get zero closure on this character.

            There are many others, but I think you can see my point. They knew 3+ years ago they had a finite ending point, and they claim to have known since the beginning exactly where they were going. If they knew they were going to make it solely about the characters, tossing everything else by the wayside and calling it “discussion fodder mystery”, they should have decided which characters were important, and focused on ensuring that they gave satisfying resolutions to them. Instead, the way I’ve best heard the entire show summed up is this:

            “The island is this crazy ass place where lots of weird stuff happens. But that’s not important because everyone is happy now.”

            And frankly, I think that’s a crock.

  • Mack

    The episode was awesome up to the very end-when they enter the church. The ending was very reminiscent of Titanic and way to sentimental for my tastes. Watch Titanic again and you will see what I am talking about.

    • Cody

      Just because a show ends with a sentimental and heart felt moment doesn’t make it a “titanic” moment. What would you rather see, a big explosion in the end? I think the sentimental feeling was appropriate considering the fact we’ve been watching these characters progress through so much to end up together again. Lost is primarily a drama after all.

  • Anfo

    That’s deep stuff eh? I REALLY enjoyed that and after 30mins of digesting, I am curious about people like Ana Lucia and Co who apparently weren’t “ready” to move on. Thoughts???

    • Loretta

      This is my main problem with the ending as well. I really did love the episode, but it seems very odd to me that some people that were tied really closely with our Losties–Frank, Eko, Ana Lucia, etc–didn’t end up in the Church with them (or didn’t sit outside and reflect like Ben did).

      • Trip

        I think that this is just a matter of real world constraints: available time on the show and the availability of the actors.

      • ghanima

        It did seem a bit arbitrary as to who ended up in the church and who wasn’t ready. Although, since with the exception of lonesome Locke and Boone, it seemed like everyone in there was with the love of their life… Maybe Frank never went to purgatory/sideways/David’s World because the most important person in his life ended up being someone he met after the island, he didn’t need to wait for everybody.

  • EJ Dubs

    So what did Hugo and Ben do after Jack died and the plane left? Help Desmond get home? Then haunt Rose and Bernard?

    • Todd

      Well it sounds like Ben and Hurley spent a long time on the island together based on their convo outside the church. It was nice, reminded me of the shene in S3(?) where Hurley shares his Apollo bar with Ben.

    • RodimusBen

      Spot on, I’m sure they helped Desmond get home since they mentioned his wife and child and all, and then basically made a home for themselves on the Island like Rose and Bernard. Who knows, maybe more people came to the Island, and they ran things in their own way like Ben said.

  • Rams

    I LOVED it. Perfect ending. Watching Kimmel.

  • Beena

    All I can say is “WOW!” I also voted best episode ever.

  • ErasedSlate

    What a ride! That was incredible.

  • RandomZombie

    I was reluctantly pessimistic, but am very pleased with the way it ended.

    I was hoping the real Locke would come back, but oh well.
    Very awesome.

    • Jack’s Sidekick

      He basically did….it’s all in the details.

  • OtherJacob

    My initial reaction: total and complete cop-out. A story as epic as this to go with a happily-ever-after ending – even if it is in the after life – is just cheap and completely goes against the idea that the creators were making a show that did not attempt to lower itself to the lowest common denominator.

    Maybe my sights were too high, but I was anticipating something a-la Donnie Darko. Somewhere where both realities were legitimate and that “leaving” the Sideways World would take them to the OT – unless they had already died in the OT, in which case they would just be dead. That would be tragic since they then would have truly been in charge of their own destinies.

    This ending also left way too many things unclear. I have no problem with ambiguity, but at least provide some degree of relevance to greater parts of the story. What was the point of the time travel in Season 5?

    This episode appears to be nothing but proof that they really were just making things up as they went along. I am truly disappointed.

    • Secure

      donnie darko….lol.

    • Brendan McGrath

      There were probably many points/purposes to the time travel, but perhaps the primary one was that it allowed the creation of the sideways timeline. As I see it, the bomb split the timeline in two. I see it not so much as two parallel lines, but rather as one line splitting off from the other in 1977 (it may in fact be almost a larger-scale version of what Desmond went through when he turned the fail-safe key, though I think you could also interpret that as having always happened, i.e., as having always been part of his life’s timeline). What is ambiguous, I think, is whether after the scene in the church, the alternate timeline is going to continue (e.g., for Ben, Ana Lucia, etc.). It’s also ambiguous as to whether there’s any difference in the way that Christian Shepherd existed in the alternate timeline vs. how all the others existed: in the alternate timeline, was it not the case that Christian Shephard (sp?) died in Australia? If he did die, then was his appearance in the church just like his off-island post-death appearances in the original timeline, and the appearances of everyone to Hurley?

      About the split timeline thing; let me copy and paste part of something I wrote in a Facebook note a while ago:

      …After the episode “Happily Ever After,” as I was reflecting on the scene between Desmond and Eloise Widmore/Hawking, I suddenly realized something that blew my mind, as I realized yet again how this all really DOES make sense, if I’m understanding it correctly.

      First of all, recall that in one of the Season 6 episodes, in the sideways-timeline, Ben’s father mentioned that he and his son had gone to the island for a brief period of time, etc. Presumably they left before “the incident” with the bomb, the point at which the timeline split in two, it seems — and the bomb seems to have had different consequences in each of the two timelines: in the “normal” timeline, the bomb seemingly caused the very thing Jack and co. were trying to prevent; in the “sideways” timeline, the bomb did in fact prevent the hatch from being built, etc., and apparently sank the island undersea. NOW, returning to Eloise Hawking/Widmore. This is what blew my mind: it seems that Eloise lived on the island from some unknown point up until 1977, when the bomb incident occured which split the timeline in two. It would seem that she got off the island somehow before the bomb went off (again, with different consequences), i.e., before the timeline split (there’s other ways to deal with this, but I won’t go into that). Now, let’s back up: before the split, she ends up shooting the “version” of Daniel Farraday from the “normal” branch of the timeline, a version of Farraday to whom the “normal version” of herself would give birth later in the “normal” timeline, and who would of course eventually end up traveling back in time to the ’70s, where he would eventually be killed by his own mother has she was pregnant with him, etc. Again, all this happened BEFORE THE SPLIT, Eloise kills the “normal version” of Farraday (who came from the “normal” future) BEFORE THE SPLIT. And, as we know, Eloise then helped Jack and co. get the bomb in order to bring about the bomb incident which caused the split. BUT NOW, WHAT ABOUT THE SIDEWAYS BRANCH OF THE TIMELINE? In that branch, the “sideways” version of Eloise is of course off the island (or maybe leaves later, if the island doesn’t sink until later for some reason). And here’s what blew my mind: if I’m not mistaken, SIDEWAYS ELOISE HAS THE SAME MEMORIES FROM BEFORE THE SPLIT AS “NORMAL” ELOISE.” In other words, as Eloise was talking to Desmond in that sideways scene, her life experience had been living on the island, shooting a version of her son, helping Jack and co. set off a bomb to try to change things, leaving the island, (somewhere around here the split occurs, resulting in a normal and sideways timeline/world, with a normal and sideways version of Eloise), and giving birth to the SIDEWAYS VERSION of Farraday, whom she has NOT guided to the island, and who has NOT traveled back in time to be killed. Of course, over in the “normal” timeline/world, “normal” Eloise had the same experiences up until the split (indeed, before the split, “normal” and “sideways” Eloise were one and the same), but after the split has had a different life experience, etc.

      It sounds complicated, and I could be mistaken (and there could be some variation on it), but trust me, it really does all make sense. To use an analogy, the key is to think of it as like one of those painting or icons where the same figure might appear be present in multiple locations, or a picture where there is a line which stops at one point, but “reappears” elsewhere in the picture: you don’t and needn’t think about the causality of the picture, how this figure is in multiple places; it simply IS that way: “whatever happened, happened” — whatever was “painted,” was “painted.” Only now, another sheet of canvas has been attached somewhere to the painting. Trust me, it DOES make sense.

      • Brendan McGrath

        Just to clarify — when I said it’s ambiguous as to whether the alternate timeline will continue, I mean, whether it will continue for those who didn’t go into the church, etc. It seemed like it — and if that’s the case, then it’s ambiguous as to what exactly will happen (from the perspective of, say, sideways Ben) to the people in the church. Will they just have disappeared from that world? Will they perhaps continue living, but in an unawakened way? I guess some of that depends on how real or stable we take the sideways timeline to be. Perhaps more likely is that it would actually somehow merge once more with the original timeline. Faraday used the metaphor of a boulder dividing a creek’s flow, etc. — perhaps eventually the alternate timeline will curve back around and rejoin the original timeline. Hmm… I think that’s my theory.

        • jimmyzer00

          Dude, the “other timeline” isn’t a timeline. It’s some sort of afterlife thingy. Weren’t you watching?

          • Mack

            It is a product of pure consciousness created by the Losties. I had the thought that this might be the case but after seeing an interview where Darlton said that people shouldn’t consider one reality more real over the other, I discarded the idea. Should have known those two where being trickies.

          • MIBisSATAN

            And they said it was nothing to do with pergatory. Pah. What a waste of six years. Unanswered mysteries, that we cant even deduce ourselves from logic. Mystery people in the s5 canoe anyone? And the big questioned are answered simply with sci-fi instead of logic. Whispers are actually unrested souls. WTF. just a huge cop-out. Its been a hell of a ride. I should never have watched the ending. Left it like abrams magic box. Thank you for the journey though guys. But u never delivered in the end.

          • Brendan McGrath

            I suppose the idea that the sideways world is itself an afterlife is a valid interpretation, but it seemed to me that the “afterlife” is what they passed into when they were in the church. Christian Shephard says that they “created” the sideways thing to be together — can’t you interpret that to mean that they created it using the bomb in the Incident?

      • Artie Deco

        Brendan, I think you missed the episode. The big reveal was that there WAS no sideways timeline–it was the afterlife. And the bomb had nothing to do with it. It was just a section of the afterlife in which they all met before moving on, once they’d all died.

        • Steven

          This is absolutely spot on. In the real world, and the ONLY real world, the bomb did go off…it did catapult them into the future back to 2007, and it technically altered the timeline in a sense that Marty McFly was able to alter his own universe by getting his parents back together. Meanwhile, all the sideways reality did was reset each of these characters to the point they were on the plane, quite possibly even resetting them to a point and a life that they wished they were living and thus created for themselves. It wasn’t until they met their “constants” in their own purgatory that they began to remember that they all had an integral part in each others’ lives. I tend to think Frank probably wasn’t there because out of all of our characters, he wasn’t flawed. Ana Lucia hadn’t “righted” herself in purgatory and thus wasn’t ready. Same with Ben as he felt he needed to stick around and be a father to Alex the right way this time. I assume Eko probably never shot the man in the village as a child and thus never left Africa.

          • nah, Eko wasn’t in the finale because the actor demanded 5 times the amount of money he was offered so they decided to cut him out. seems fair enough to me

    • amy

      unfortunately I agree. I had lowered my expectations this season, I had come to terms with the fact that a lot of things would go unanswered, I was fully enjoying the ride, I was ready for it to end….I was left unsatisfied last night.

      Maybe had I not watched the two hour recap right before. I went the journey with these characters, I knew thier struggles and had already laughed and cried with them. It was overkill to spend another two and a half walking with just those characters.

      It’s not that I needed more answers I needed more COOL stuff to happen. Not so much sappy music and long gazing looks into each other eyes. I also felt the plot of last nights show was so bizarre. All this build up to Locke and Jack coming together to battle it out and then they just team up and help desmond down the well to see what would happen. It was weird. The fight scene that finally happened was cool, and I got the whole point…They fullfilled their destiny, all of the island stuff happened so Desmond could turn off the light and Jack could kill Locke and then Jack could die turning the light back on.

      What the crap happened to the plane that took off? Where did they go?

      I LOVE this show, I am still very glad I went on this journey. I think the ending had some beautiful moments and a great message…I just need time to fully get over the fact that THAT is where LOST was going. I think I want to believe at this point that they didn’t really know where they were going and just threw in a lot of cool stuff throughout, giving us a good ride and a lots of food for thought. At some point they just had to wrap it all up so they just dropped all the cool stuff and went all character centric. I never felt like the show only revolved around those characters, the fact that there were so many of them and so many things going on with the island mysteries, the others, the dharma, the many different civilizations that had come and gone. I guess I really just feel like it was a cop out to go with these characters and take you full circle with them leaving everything else up for us to dwell on.

      I was also hoping for a cool ending, that was WTF?! I wanted the need to go back and reavaluate the whole series. I wanted heart racing, intense, jaw dropping suspense all the way to the end. I wanted LOST to do itself justice.

      ugh. I hate to rip it apart, I hate to feel so bummed. I was prepared to take whatever we got and be content. and I will, I just needed to vent first and get over myself. So much potential that was LOST….

    • ElDuderino

      I think time travel was their storytelling device to give some answers about the Dharma Initiative.

      I liked the ending, so I have to admit that bias when I ask about this “Making it up as they went along” business. It’s fictional, not a documentary, which means they made it all up at some point. I’m sure parts of the story changed because the circumstances dictated it. For example, if they hadn’t been willing to adapt, then Ben Linus would’ve been a minor character with a short story arc in season 2.

      I think redemption was the key theme in this season and the finale, and it’s hard to have a depressing ending when your characters are working towards redemption.

  • Desi’s Brother

    I just don’t understand how anyone can say that was the perfect ending. It was so profoundly unsatisfying in terms of the mythology and getting ANSWERS!!!!!

    I liked the character development, although I was a bit stunned that Jack and Kate ended up together and Juliette and Sawyer —but I was kind of glad. I was happy to Shannon and Sayid.

    So the alternate flash-sideways is just an imaginary intermediate-purgatory like world where these characters meet up to move on to heaven. What? So when Juliette blew herself up, she was not creating an alternate universe she was just creating this imaginary place. What a meaningless death. Guys, she just blew herself up. Nothing actually came of that. They would have probably had some imaginary place whether she killed herself or not.

    What about all the other people like Illana, was she just a means for other people’s souls to get what they needed out of life? What about all the other people on the island?

    So what was the island?????
    Why did pregnant women die post 1977?
    What was the significance of time-travel to this entire show?
    What did that have to do with ANYTHING?
    How did Eloise Hawkings’ know so much about time-travel?
    Why were the numbers broadcast for years?
    Why those particular numbers?
    Why were Walt and Aaron special?
    What was watery Walt? What was the purpose of the Hatch?
    Can anyone make any sense of what took place inside the cave of wonders?
    Why would Claire want to have an this imaginary-purgatory world without her son Aaron as an adult? Same thing for Penny and Desmond?
    What caused the Dharma supply drops?
    How did the Polar Bear end up in Tunesia?
    Where was Mr. Eko in the alt-timeline?
    What about Michael?
    Why were the Others hostile to the 815ers?

    • Secure

      Probably 90% of the questions this guy brings up….were actually answered if he had paid attention.

      Kind of silly given all the typing involved.

      • Desi’s Brother

        Are you sure about that?

        • kaiser

          So you mean to tell me that when you studied the GIFs of the blast door map in season 2 you didn’t want to know what the Incident was? Both Miles AND Faraday were right, (my take at least, which accepts that the 70s for our Losties was their present not strictly “the past”) the Losties created the event they were attempting to avert BUT they put themselves where they were supposed to be (though Faraday thought they’d be able to make it so that they never made it to the Island). THAT is what the point of the time travel is, I never thought we’d see that because it happened in the past, I never thought we’d really see Dharma folk working (and as it turned out very few of them were seriously interested in changing the world they were really just silly hippies conducting self serving experiments) and I never thought we’d get to see certain characters like Radzinsky or Pierre Chang and such. If that’s not good enough for you than that’s your take on Season 5. Besides, you have over 100 hours of television to go through to find answers to your questions. There’s probably enough there if you’re open to it. Normally taking a lit crit course isn’t necessary to watching a tv show but this is Lost so…

      • Artie Deco

        No, Secure, NONE of those questions were answered. Don’t be so condescending, especially when what you’re saying is incorrect. This was the worst ending the series could possibly have had.

        • Trip

          Not trying to be argumentative here, but what would have constituted a better ending? I mean besides answering a checklist of questions.

          Really though, just about every major relationship was resolved. I don’t think the how or why the island works the way it does can ever be answered.

        • jackuh

          Yes, YES they were! Almost everyone of them were answered either directly or indirectly. Just because the answers weren’t crammed down your throat by someone staring into the camera and saying, “Artie Deco, listen up because something important is about to be said. Are you ready? Ok, listen; the polar bear wound up in Tunisia because when the Dharma Initiative found the cave and the Donkey Wheel one of two things happened. Either one of the first people to find it was curious and decided to turn it and he suddenly disappeared, right in front of everyone’s eyes. Not only that but weird things started happening and the island started “skipping through time.” Well, they figured these weird things weren’t happening before that poor guy turned the wheel and disappeared. So maybe if we turn it again, all this weird stuff will stop. “But won’t whoever turns the wheel disappear like the first guy?” “You’re right, so now what are we gonna do?” “We are already studying those polar bears over on Hydra Island, why don’t we harness one of them to the wheel and make him turn it?” So they did, and the polar bear turned the wheel and ended up dying in the desert of Tunisia. Or, the first people to find the wheel were scared something bad might happen because of all the other strange things they have already found around the island and they basically came to the same decision to harness the polar bear to the wheel.

          Still there Artie Deco? Good. Now we really didn’t think we’d have to flat out explain all of this to you, we actually were hoping that you would be able to infer all of this from the clues and images we showed you throughout the series but if this is what it will take for you to enjoy the series, who are we to judge? Idiot.

          • minivan

            That’s really mean, but HILARIOUS!!!

          • sheryl dean

            ok…. so uh what about what is the island?
            do tell me that
            i have many unanswered questions and i have watched each season at least 3 times…. so help me then sir, if ALL of these questions were answered, then do tell share with me because i dont know the half of them

    • JinSon

      Dude. The island is like a purgatory, and the numbers where Hurley’s lotto numbers and apparently his lucky numbers,the cave of wonders was just something to help them understand that they were dead in the first place, and your probaly asking.. why did it end with all of them dead? well when you watch that when the plane remains were on the island at the end. no one was there and they all died. The island was a purgatory just to show them that they r dead. 🙂

      • Desi’s Brother

        I think you have it all wrong. The island was NOT purgatory —the “flash-sideways” was purgatory.

        • JinSon

          ohh i thought the island was because it showed like the ”cork” to hell when desmond took it out and the earthquakes started. and.. yeah.. but it was a fantastic episode. 🙂

      • Chip

        No one LOST world corresponds to Purgatory. Darlton said a month or two back that the Island is not Purgatory, but concepts related to Purgatory are in the show. The same holds true for the Sideways world, which is not Purgatory per se but one level of the afterlife.

        • Desi’s Brother

          Call it what you want. Limbo then. It is essentially an intermediate world. Of course they don’t want to call it purgatory because then they would be acknowleging that we guessed way back in season 1.

          • Chip

            Is it an intermediate world or stage 1 of a multi-tiered afterlife? I don’t think the church sanctuary is the final afterlife in LOST’s cosmology.

            For something to be called Purgatory or Limbo, it should match the characteristics of those places. The Sideways world does not, unless you want to only go with the very general notion of a possibly intermediate world. And the Island, I believe, was not the afterlife at all.

    • Todd

      I think this is where we get to the fun part. The series ended on a character-centric note, which really is true to the series. As for the mysteries, it’s still a big puzzle but at least now we can say we have all the pieces. Lemme take some stabs

      -The bomb: Juliet had to hit the bomb to set it off because thats clearly what caused the incident (since we now know it didn’t actually create an alternate timeline.) Which led to button in the hatch which led to…well, still not quite sure, but it must’ve had something to do with keeping Smokey on the island (instead of, as it seemed, keeping Widmore off it.)

      -The island: The island is the source of all life, I guess. Maybe someone can figure out more what that really boils down to, but it might just be a “magical” answer that there’s no point in questioning.

      -time travel: I’m willing to accept magic here too. Clearly the island radiates some kind of weird energy signal, Dr. Chang must’ve used his physics know-how to tap in to that. But do you question “why 88 MPH?” or do you just laugh at Biff running into three manure trucks?

      -Eloise – she was traumatized for having to know she killed her own son her whole life and wasn’t allowed to change that fact (maybe Jacob told her so), so she’d be damned if she was gonna let Des break the rules if she couldn’t. She probably studied Faraday’s notebook her whole life.

      -Numbers – The numbers were for some reason broadcast by Dharma to indicate the factors in the equation for the end of the world. Clearly tied to the Swan operation.

      -Polar Bear – I think Dharmies ended up using the polar bears to turn the donkey wheel because polar bears don’t mind being teleported to Tunisia to die in the desert the way a scientist would.

      • DeSelby

        I’ve always pictured the donkey wheel being the center of a huge underground hadron collider that surrounds the whole Island, making the time travel possible.

        And for the Light of life, I was kinda thinking that the Island was where life itself originated, way back before the continents separated and it was still connected to everything. Or maybe it was at the bottom of the sea at the time–doesn’t seem like that would matter since the light seemed to need water around it anyway.

    • Desi’s Brother

      Who in this imaginary world is “REAL” and who isn’t. David isn’t real. Is this Helen real? Is this Nadia the real Nadia? Mrs. Hawkings appears to be the real Mrs. Hawkings. But does that mean Widmore was not the real Widmore?

      Why isn’t Helen going with him? Unless she didn’t really love him and this was just “imaginary” Helen, like David was just imaginary.

      What was the point of Jack imagining having a child with Juliette? Why not imagine having a child with Kate? Surely they could just imagine a world were they were together all along?

      Why was Hurley in this imaginary world? Isn’t he immortal now and guarding the island?

      So the whole Kate and Sawyer thing comes to nothing essentially. In the imaginary world they just flirt with each other and have a hug later on. So I guess they didn’t end up together after getting home in the island-reality.

      • Chip

        It’s all real, not imaginary. The show implies that there are levels of afterlife. I don’t think the Island was part of the afterlife, but you can argue it was. The Sideways world definitely was one level of the afterlife. The church sanctuary is another level. As Christian said, you “move on” from one to another. But, as we see with Ben, you only move on from one level to the next when you’re ready. It’s implied that Ben will move on later in the future. But for now, he’s still dealing with the ramifications of his Island life. And he makes the choice to stay in the Sideways world for now.

        The Sideways world, then, is Purgatory-like, and it enables people who have already died to deal with unresolved issues at the time of their death. Once you deal with those, you apparently are ready to live in community with those who impacted your life the most. “Live together, die together” is the ultimate LOST philosophy (although it’s never stated that way).

        So Jack’s son is *not* imaginary; he’s real in the Sideways world, which indeed is “another life.” He might be there for Jack to deal with his unresolved father issues, but the Sideways world may be his first life. When he dies, he’ll also face his own Purgatory-like world, and when ready, move into community.

        • LV

          That’s the most succinct and plausible interpretation I’ve read so far. Thanks for sharing.

        • jimmyzer00

          Very well said. My only real issue with how things ended is that the writer’s built the Island up to be a character in it’s own right, with desires and the seeming ability to act on those desires. But they never really paid that off.

        • Desi’s Brother

          So his son now has no parents? As both Juliette and Jack have “moved on” so what becomes of this person? Or does it not matter because he doesn’t exist in “our reality”? I’m not asking for an actual answer to this question, just where is the logic in that?

          • Chip

            David goes on living in the Sideways world, I think. Since there is no “now” in the church afterlife (according to Christian), we don’t really know when Jack and Juliet entered the church building. They might have lived out their Sideways lives longer. They might not have, too. But remember that some people that Jack meets in the church building arrive long after him, according to Christian. So I don’t think we at all have to conclude that David is left an orphan.

        • rivum

          chip, i think it’s safe to say that you have the best handle on what the finale means (from what i’ve read, anyway). i appreciate your insight as i was very confused after watching the finale.

    • thorne47

      if i may…
      The island keeps evil from spreading all over the planet.
      Those particular numbers were associated with the candidates.
      Walt was special b/c he can be in two places at once, and Aaron wasn’t special.
      Watery Walt(see above).
      The Hatch was there to prevent the violent release of electro magnetism fallowing the incident.
      The polar bear ended up in Tunesia after turning the donkey wheel.
      I think the others were hostile b/c their sole purpose was to protect the island, and they just werent warm to guests. they were hostile to the dharma folks as well.
      Not sure what the cave of wonders is referring to, and what about Michael.
      I too was a little disappointed not to see Eko even thought i was expecting to see him at all.
      Not trying to come off as a jerk, just that that some of the questions you have, have been answered

      • Desi’s Brother

        The numbers correspond to those candidats, Yes. I watched the show. That however, does not explain why those 6 numbers were broadcast across the ocean and by whom. If Jacob knew all along that the candidats corresponding to those numbers were the “real” candidats, why bother with the hundreds of others? Why not just draw those ones to the island?

        Yes, I agree the polar bear can be infered.

        • Those numbers… were a coincedence… just happened to be the serial number for the hatch that Dharma was building… just happened to be the numbers Jacob associated with the final six candidates… just happened to be the same numbers as the Valenzetti Equation… Those numbers were broadcast by Dharma while they continued work on their attempts to change them (iirc from the Lost Experience arg)… just happened to be… all coincedences… or was it fate? a higher power at work? That’s up to you…

          • bckwrdbbq

            for every one confussed about the numbers
            this video was released after season 2

    • Lost=Art

      if i can just do my bit, why do you want to be spoon-fed all the answers? the show implicitly says that this isn’t the way you should appreciate life. Jack of seasons 1-4 wants to fix and understand everything, but in the end, he knows he has to trust in faith, belief.

      if any of the answers to your so-called unanswered questions were necessary to the message that Darlton wanted their viewers to shape from this show, they would have been answered. those who want to know every little bit of what has happened, for me, represent jack standing at the end of that runway in season 3- obsessed lunatics. you need to let go 😉

    • I hear ya with the unanswered questions… I understand that frustration… but… the way I see it for myself is that the creation process has now been handed over to us… They gave us enough information without overtelling the story… so if you’ve seen all the episodes, you can speculate endlessly and come to your own conclusions about most things…

  • The Dharma & Greg Initiative

    This show wasn’t about answers. Get over it and enjoy everything you saw!

    • JinSon

      true true. 🙂 and if your lost then you’ll never find out cause the show ended

    • Desi’s Brother

      Actually they just didn’t have any.

      • kaiser

        Desi just say “I was disappointed.” Why is that so hard? Honestly this is NOT performing spinal surgery, it’s coming up with answers to mythology on a television show – if the writers WANTED to deliberately answer something it is ridiculous to think that they could not. Humans instinctively look for patterns and when we see something that does not follow our preconceived notion of a pattern for a given thing we think it’s wrong. Ergo, a question is raised on a television show, you expect it to be answered. This is how television has worked FOREVER. So when a show comes around and decides that it’s different and that it won’t answer many questions it’s raised some people can’t accept that it was done on purpose, it has to be that the writers didn’t know what they were doing. You may be right in saying that the writers didn’t or don’t have answers to some of your questions but you’d be foolish to claim that wasn’t the point. The viewer knows basically what the characters do, which is a frustrating place to be.

        • kaiser

          I should amend that last bit by saying however, we do know what ALL the characters know which can be an advantageous place to be, as far as coming up with answers to dangling questions is concerned.

          • The Dharma & Greg Initiative

            Until this episode, I wanted answers just as much as the next viewer, but something about this ending was just so satisfying and brought so much closure. It reminded me that the show was always about the characters and not just the Island. While I recognize the show has its flaws like any other series, this ending was just so sweet to me. So, even if I’m never shown why the Donkey Wheel was frozen or why that bird yelled “Hurley,” I’m a very, very happy camper.

          • Desi’s Brother

            I find that so dishonest. This show has never been ONLY about the characters. It has been about the characters on an island of mysteries and trying to decifer what is going on. To say that that doesn’t matter is rediculous. Any show on TV can have great characters. The mysteries are a huge part of the show, but I wanted to have some of the major ones solved.

  • JinSon

    Well, that was an interesting episode. but im still LOST. What about Frank and Alpert? What happened to them? like how OtherJacob said. There are many things unsaid and makes you wonder what happened and why arent they outside like how Ben was.. Was Ben dead?Or was Ben alive? The questions is.. Who is Jacob and is Jacob like a angel of death because Jacob touched them all so he could’ve been.. and its kinda of sad because they are all dead. But remember when Lock said in the hospital:I thought you didnt have a son. Because Jack thought he had one but probably he didnt and that made you think about more things that can happen.. but other than that.. The episode was amazing!!!!!!! 🙂 ?

    • Todd

      Hey, maybe Jack DID have a son – he certainly had a good time with Kate before getting on the Ajira flight, and she would have plenty of time after getting home to be pregnant.

    • thorne47

      I think Ben was dead. Perhaps he didn’t go into the church b/c he had some redeeming(protecting Alex?)left to do before he can move on. Or perhaps he isnt allowed in the church. Ben did do some prety terrible things in his lifetime. Maybe he has to go some place different like, for the lack of a better word, hell?

      • OtherJacob

        I’m thinking he was waiting for Alex to “be ready”

  • Adam

    Beautiful ending. Don’t care what anyone else says. When I realized the alternate timeline was actually the afterlife (and no it didn’t hit me until Jack realized it talking to his dad) I cried. Don’t care that some things were left unanswered, that just gives us a reason to watch and discuss Lost for a long time to come. Beautiful.

    • JinSon

      it was beautiful. i did cry because it was beautiful. I voted it BEST EPISODE EVER!!! 🙂

      • DeSelby

        Dude, I cried, then the last LOST appeared on the screen and I fucking sobbed. I had no idea I cared that much.

        • This.
          I teared up when Jack returned to his starting position and his eye closed. Then I weeped.

          • amy

            I think that is my problem. I did not feel emotionally attached by this point. It was beautiful and I tried to get all emotional and I just couldn’t. Watching the recap beforehand I was a mess, I couldn’t hold it together, I kept getting choked up and really was invested. I think having that recap right before was just too much. I was over the character by that point…

  • dappawit

    An excellent finish to an outstanding series. After “Across the Sea” a couple of weeks ago, I had my doubts, but the finale turned out very good.

    I can certainly understand how some will be upset with the lack of answers. If I thought the show owed me answers that weren’t provided, then I’d be dissatisfied as well. However, I am more interested in the characters stories, as well as the big answers which I thought had already been answered. That is not to take away from those who wanted more–we all have our own expectations and if they weren’t met then that’s that. There’s nothing anyone can say to change that–nor should there be.

    Anyway… excuse me if the following is stating the obvious, but because this is the internet and darn it everyone has to be heard (or at least feel like he’s being heard 🙂 ) here’s what I see as the whole purgatory ending…

    The experience on the island was all *real*. At some point, everyone dies, and when the Lost characters did, they turned up in the sideways world–but they didn’t know they were dead. Also, just because they were in the sideways world doesn’t mean they were dead yet in the *real* time line. Hurley, Ben, as well as everyone who escaped the island on the plane were still alive when the show reached the end of the *real* time line. However, they all will die at some point in the future, whenever that may be. When they do, they experience the sideways world. That world has no temporal relation to the real one. In other words, *when* they die has no effect on their “when” in the alternate time line. To go from that sideways universe to the next place–to “move on”–they have to come to some revelation where they suddenly become aware of their experiences in the real world. At that point, they are ready and are able to make the next step. (It’s kind of like “Defending Your Life”, but without the trials.)

    So that’s my take. This was probably just explaining the obvious–or maybe I’m just completely wrong about the whole thing 🙂

    • Dominick

      Yep, mostly right I think except:
      All the Losties in flash sideways are dead (have died) in *Real* world. Christian said so to Jack, some died before him, and some after him. Time and place don’t exist though in flash sideways, but for all of them to be in the church, they all would have died in the *real* world.
      “To go from that sideways universe to the next place–to “move on”–they have to come to some revelation where they suddenly become aware of their experiences in the real world.”- Not quite, Ben became aware of his experiences in *Real* world, but he still wasn’t ready to move on.

  • LostFan

    I did not see them as dead or in purgatory in this current or “real” or existing timeline, or whatever you want to call the timeline we left them in in the church. They were only in the place they had arranged where they could all find each other. But they were not dead. They were very much alive.

    The question I had which remained unanswered had to do with something which was brought up during “Across the Sea.” In “Across the Sea,” the “Mother” had told Jacob and his brother that they could not go into the area of the light. Jacob threw his brother down there and he became the Smoke Monster.

    Desmond went down there, and he was okay, because he has a special immunity to electromagnetic energy. But when Jack went down there, my question is simple.

    Why didn’t Jack turn into a Smoke Monster when Jack turned the light/electromagnetic energy back on?

    Also, Jacob and his brother could not hurt each other. So I assumed that anyone that took Jacob’s place would also not be able to be hurt by the Smoke Monster. I was surprised to find Jack “mortal” and able to be hurt by the Smoke Monster/Man In Black, and equally surprised to find the Man In Black to suddenly be “mortal” and able to be stabbed by Jack. Why were they both suddenly able to hurt one another, when for thousands of years Jacob and his brother were unable to hurt one another?

    I loved the ending, but I would have liked answers to those questions.

    • celestiall

      They became mortal because the cork was out and the light had gone out which effected the magic of the island.

      • Other Joe

        Yeah… that was one of the more obvious things in the episode. As for Jack not becoming a smoke monster, I feel like that’s something the island decides on. The MIB had ill intention to the island so bam, smoke. Jack was as good as dead anyway, so why not let him die where he landed and make it a symmetrical ending 😛

    • DeSelby

      I also think they were both mortal once the Light went out. But also, it looked like Jack’s stab wound was right where his appendix would have been, but *luckily* it wasn’t there for him to bleed out. I think it was the electromagnetism that killed him.

      • naultz

        That stab wound is the “appendix” scar jack didn’t recognize in the flash sideways, same as the cut on his neck was from Lockes knife.

  • Aldo lover

    Okay but who dropped the Dharma food palettes?

    • Koobie

      Dharma 😉

    • Charles Widmore

      I did. Sheesh.

      • Marcia King

        I have been reading these along and chuckling but this made me LOL. Thank you!

  • cobes

    i hate to say it but on first watch i feel that the thrill of the chase was better than the climax….. im off to rewatch. I did enjoy it, i feel the jack/locke battle could have been a lot stronger!

  • lisa

    Oh, Lost. What a ride! Though there are some questions I wished were answered, I’m very happy with how everything was wrapped up. However, in typical Lost fashion, I’m still a bit confused.

    Let’s see: all of the characters eventually died, whether their death took place on or off the island, before or after Jack’s death in the bamboo. Once they died, they all met up in “purgatory” and Christian led them to heaven? Was any of their time on the island real?

    • DeSelby

      Yes, everything was real, except for the flashsideways which happened after their deaths. Seasons 1 through 5 was all real and everything on-Island in season 6 was real too.

  • I’m still blubbering…. Love you LOST!

  • LostFan

    ALL of their time on the island was real, and ALL of their time in their alternate universes was real. In this newer timeline (sideways flashes), they are NOT dead! They are NOT in purgatory! I wish people would stop thinking that … it is NOT true. Watch the show again. Pay attention. They are not dead.

    • doug

      How are they not dead, Jack says “I died” and Christian says that they all died at different times but set up the church as a place to meet to move on to the next place. you should probably pay attention lol.

    • DeSelby

      Haha really? Okay, please explain what the flashsideways are then. Appreciate it.

    • jimmyzer00

      Hahaha you so crazy

      • doug

        Uh they were in some stage of the afterlife. I mean its pretty clear they were dead, the writers literally wrote into the script they were dead and they all died at different times but reunited here. Some of the criticisms I’ve been reading make me feel like people didn’t even pay any attention during the show.

    • lionheart

      but it´s said in the show that they´re dead, jack realized that he was dead and when he asked his father is everyone on the church were dead too, he answered, everyone must die

    • Chip

      I think the real question here is whether something that takes place in an afterlife can be considered “real.” As a Christian, I believe the answer is yes. (I know others here come from differing perspectives.) The Sideways world is an afterlife world for our characters, and it’s real — just as real as their pre-death world (including the Island as a part of that pre-death world). When Christian tells Jack that *everything* his son underwent really happened, he means *everything*, including what happened in the Sideways world. When Christian mentions that the characters created a place for themselves to meet, it seems to me that he’s referring to the church sanctuary, because it’s there that they all meet (and which is part of the next level in the afterlife). The church sanctuary is likewise just as real as the characters’ pre-death world and Sideways world. Everything that happens to our characters during the course of the series really happens.

      As a side point, I don’t think the Sideways world is just an afterlife for our characters, but a pre-death world for others (e.g., David).

  • Joe

    If you loved Lost for its characters, then you might as well have been watching Grey’s Anatomy or Desperate Housewives or whatever. Lost was supposed to be different. For those of us who loved lost because it was a fascinating puzzle being solved in slow motion, getting to the end only to find the writers didn’t care about the puzzle is insulting. I feel bad for all the people who spent serious time cataloguing all the mysteries on Lostpedia, thinking they were important, when they were just ephemeral thrills tossed into keep us interested enough to watch another week.

    Right now I feel like Ralphie when he decoded Little Orphan Annie’s secret message, only to find out it was a crummy commercial for Ovaltine. Seriously, Lost, I thought I was decoding a secret that would blow mind mind, but all I got was a crummy soap opera.

    • jimmyzer00

      I didn’t feel this way until that church scene, but I’m kinda with you on this. I don’t know though, it might just be that I scoff at the idea that consciousness continues in any way after death.

      • Brendan McGrath

        I feel very differently about consciousness continuing after death, speaking as a Catholic (and from the Catholic tradition there’d be so much to say about this, and also it would be framed somewhat different than “consciousness continuing,” but anyway…), but even if one were to take an atheistic and even materialistic view of the world, isn’t it possible to think that consciousness could somehow continue independently of the body, as a sort of… I don’t know, run-away energy? It would seem conceivable to me that even if one reduced consciousness to matter/energy, one could still hypothesize a vague sketch of how consciousness might continue.

        And if you don’t believe me, well, there’s a lovely little research facility in Portland, Oregon where you might be able to learn more. Well, actually, not quite in Portland. 😉

    • ElDuderino

      I think the characters were the largest part of the show, and I disagree with the Desperate Housewives remark, but I really never thought Lost was about answers. For me, it’s always been about questions.

      The reason Lost was different for me was that it was pretty literary and deserved analysis, just like literature. Moby Dick isn’t just a book about a whale, and – for me – Lost was not just a show about an island.

  • adam118

    I was ready to be disappointed. When it was over, I was crying yelling “They didn’t screw it up! They didn’t screw it up!”
    I didn’t really like the twist that they’re all dead or w/e, but I was just happy that all of our characters had happy endings.
    So, what’s up with David? Now I’m confused. Shoulda left it at alternate reality.

  • Nick

    I don’t think Jacob’s brother (aka the Man In Black) was the Smoke Monster. I think when MIB fell into the cave, he was still alive. I think he must have removed the cork just like Desmond did in The End. I think doing this released the Smoke Monster. I think the Smoke Monster then scanned MIB, took his memories, and killed him. The Smoke Monster was able to take the form of the dead and chose to take the form of MIB because he knew it would help him. By pretending to be MIB, he could get in close with Jacob.

    I think the Smoke Monster is evil incarnate and came from Hell. (When Desmond removed the cork, that sure looked like Hell to me). I also think that many of the characters were right when they said that if the Monster left the Island, it would bring about the end of the world. I believe that he took on some of the traits of the people he scanned. This is why we saw him saying “Don’t tell me what I can’t do” (stolen from Locke) and wanting to get off the Island (stolen from MIB).

    • Nick

      If you accept this premise, it seems that the Island was a test set up by God to see if anyone could defeat the Smoke Monster. Those who could defeat him would reach Heaven/Nirvana/Paradise. The Smoke Monster can also be seen as a metaphor for one’s own personal demons. When one conquers his/her personal demons, he /she will reach Heaven/Nirvana/Paradise

    • DeSelby

      I really love the fact that it’s still ambiguous. MIB could be the smoke monster, or he could just be one more person who got conned. Both theories seem to me plausible, or at least can’t be completely ruled out. A certain amount of ambiguity is necessary I think for a show or really any art to have a lasting meaning.

      • Nick

        I think the Smoke Monster pre-dates the Man In Black. This is why we see hieroglyphics that the Egyptians made depicting the Smoke Monster. To me, this suggests that Man In Black isn’t the Smoke Monster. Either MIB released the cork which released Smokey, or just by going down there, it released Smokey. But it seems clear to me that the Smoke Monster is its own entity.

  • Alex

    Okay, it was a brilliant last episode, no question about that. But it could’ve been so much better. We got very few MAJOR questions answered. For instance, what was the smoke monster? Why was it created when the Man in Black went into the light?

    Yes, I know, it was all about the characters. And emotionally, the way they developed and finished up was truly satisfying. But it’s a simple idea that you don’t introduce something in a show, and then not do something with it. Why have a boat shooting at them when they were time travelers, unless their identities were important? Why introduce fertility problems, if you’re not going to explain why they exist? Why show the Ajira flight members travel to different tpoints in time, if you’re not going to explain why Sun and so on didn’t go back to the 1970s? And so on.

    I didn’t want all the questions answered. Just the major stuff. Great, great, great show, but if they’d tied most of it into a bow, it would’ve been awe-inspiring.

    • Alex

      I mean, for goodness sake, they showed the island under water at the start of the season. What was up with that?

      • MRSD

        I really liked the ending, but why show the island underwater at the beginning of the season in the alt-verse? If it’s indeed purgatory or whatever does it matter where the island is? Was this just to build anticipation for the season? Not quite what i expected or hoped for but a great ending still.

    • Brendan McGrath

      It’s interesting that different people have different sets of questions that they think need to be answered or illuminated more. There are some things that I think should have been addressed more (and it seems some will be on the DVDs), but there are lots of things that I think just aren’t things that need to be answered; some aren’t really actual questions. For example, you asked, “What is the smoke monster?” — Hasn’t that basically been answered? Though there could be a few other interpretations (e.g., people thinking the Mother was a smoke monster), I think the answer is basically that the smoke monster is a negative, fallen, or even evil or at least evil-willed being that came into existence when Jacob’s twin came into contact with (or came too close to) the light/source, i.e., with the electromagnetic energy at the heart of the island. The smoke monster is what results when a human being sort of gets too close to that energy — because that’s the way it is. We don’t need to have elaborated either the physical and/or metaphysical inner workings of that reality; we can just assume that it’s there, the same way there’s a physical explanation for why wood, if it comes into contact with fire, can turn into ash.

      However, you also asked, “Why have a boat shooting at them when they were time travelers, unless their identities were important? Why introduce fertility problems, if you’re not going to explain why they exist?” — Here I can agree with you that the storytelling is problematic. With regard to the fertility question, I imagine we’re meant to conclude that it’s because of the Incident, but that should at least have been addressed, even just by having Juliet muse out loud about leak, etc., “That’s probably what made the pregant women die” or something. With regard to the outrigger chase, on the one hand I think they can sort of get away with not showing the other half of that, on the other hand, I think that really is a failure on the writer’s part — it was clearly set up as something more, and they’ve said that in an interview. That’s one of the problems that I think may have resulted from not planning out the plot of future seasons in enough detail so that they would have enough time, etc. They knew the background, the mythology, the answers, etc., but I think in some cases they may have ended up changing course for various reasons with regard to how the plot itself would unfold.

      As for why Sun and the others didn’t go back to the 1970s, I think it’s perhaps because they technically didn’t have all the Oceanic 6 (i.e., no Aaron; also, Walt was missing, and he was on the plane) — it messed things up. But that “mess up” was perhaps intentional on the part of the island (and on the part of Jacob — I would theorize that one who takes on the function/role that the Mother/Jacob/Jack/etc. played serves as a sort of… well, combination voice, oracle, agent, and incarnation of the island, but only partially so, so that Jacob’s knowledge and power is limited, and he doesn’t understand everything. Perhaps a better way to say it is that the Jacboc role is that of an “angel” or messenger for the island. Jacob guides people, but only as a servant or intermediary for the island, which itself has a guiding force: or, maybe not simply the island, but the universe as a whole — (for myself, looking at it from the perspective of the Catholic tradition, I would see the triune God as the ultimate guiding force: which is why I thought it was so moving to see how, in the ending, “fate,” “the universe’s course-correction,” etc. could be glimpsed as being not blind, cold, and impersonal, but fundamentally gentle, warm, loving, and personal: indeed, if I’m not mistaken, “fate” led to the time travel which, witht he bomb, initiated a “course-correction” that resulted in the splitting of the timeline to create the sideways world, a sideways world which, to my view, allowed sorrow to be redeemed into joy a little bit before death than might otherwise be the case.

      OK, I’m rambling now, but oh well. 😉

    • LockeJ

      The smoke Monster was… the smoke monster. Do you need a greater explanation?. From the show it would seem that it was “evil” and may have been the soul of MiB or some ancient evil being. It was just bad news. Was it created or set free?.

      The TPTB stated in a podcast that they wanted to answer the boat shooting mystery, but that it would have required too much scripting to get to that point. I’m guessing it didn’t really have much bearing on the show.

      Fertility troubles were introduced and I think have somewhat been answered; Richard Alpert said they were being pre-occupied with meaningless tasks like the fertility problem, and lost made a point of showing Ethan being born on island pre-incident. My guess would be that the incident lead to babies not being able to be born, due to a side effect of the elecromagnetic release and/or the H-bomb. Or maybe it was just another of Jacobs rules?.

      I’m guessing that Sun etc were not “needed” in the 1970’s timeline.

      I will be re-watching the whole 6 seasons in the next few weeks and hope to get my own answers, or at least theories that I am happy with.

      • naultz

        I think it was the purge on the Dharma folk that ben linus initiated that sterilized the island. the release of chemicals could have a poor effect on reproduction.

      • MIBisSATAN

        there were many times they could have thrown in the timetravelling boat shooters in season six. infact everytime someone crossed the water i thought they were about to be shot at. even in the finalle frank miles and richard crossed in a boat. its just sloppy. we have been hooked by people making up a story for six years believing we were going somewhere. argh it frustrates me the people who are defending this injustice. at the end of the day we have paid money for dvds, merchendise etc, and we have been, to put it mildly, f**ked in the a$$. so much potential, so very much, and we were left short. the show became a religion to a lot of us, and for half of us (by my rough estimate) it let us down!

  • LaFleur Me

    We saw some of the island under water -and some did break off and go under.
    I loved the ending – but I am a romantic and loved all that. My friend and I had fun trying to figure out why each character created their sideways life the way they had for Christina clearly states that they -as a group -had decided to create this “world” where they could reconnect. It was fun to think of why each of them set up their lives as they did. We decided all the major stuff -who was related, etc, -had to stay the same and that they all stayed in relative occupations making it easier to find each other. Of course Locke would be with Helen and in a chair so he HAD to go to Jack to fix him, and he wanted his father to be good. Sawyer decided to be alone and wait -that was interesting -guilt maybe? Sayid created a safe place for Nadia but he knew his true love was Shannon (I loved that) so Nadia was taken- etc. What are your thoughts on why they picked what they did?

    • Trip

      I am not sure how much influence any of them had over their sideways existence. Jack still had an estranged father. Kate was still a criminal on the run. Sayid looked as if he was still in the killing business. James Ford still had Sawyer on his mind.

      I would say that the only one who seemed to make his ENTIRE life markedly better was Hurley. Maybe that is a reflection of his wisdom/experience gained from a long time serving as the island’s protector? It would explain the “Jacob” vibe that he was showing.

      I think, for the most part, they just played out their defacto roles in their previous lives until they worked through their respective hang-ups or remembered their past life.

  • andyphon

    Loved Kate’s comment about “Christian Shepard” being his real name. Hadn’t thought about that significance. Truly he was ‘shepherding’ them to wherever they went.

  • lucia

    Conclusion: the flashsideways were pointless and unnecessary, just a way to waste our time and play with us.

  • The thing I don’t understand is that on the frieghter Christian told Michael that he could “go”, yet we don’t see him in the church. Ive always felt that the writers really botched the Michael/Walt storyline. I think I know why Walt wasn’t there, it was because the time he spent on the island wasn’t the most meaningful in his life, and that his realationships of the island ment more to im then the ones on the island.
    I gotta say, you can’t really resist that ending. Season6 was basically an excuse to get to this point.The dog who plays Vincent deserves a special animal emmy!

    • Trip

      Wasn’t Michael stuck on the island because of his actions? Not sure how long he has to stay there, but he said he couldn’t move on.

  • accessoire

    Best episode ever to me, because it had no “Noooo this is it?! I want more answers!”-moment in the end. Through the whole finale I had tears come up and I got so much goosebumps. It was a great and satisfying ending in my opinion. They all have been redeemed, I really like it that way. The only thing that I’d like to get answered how it’s going on with Hurley and Ben but well … it’s ok so. It was a calm death. Long live Lost in our hearts. Goodbye.

  • Chris

    I love the show but that was a huge cop out. I would’ve been satisfied with only two questions answered. What created the island/Jacob like entities and why were there egyptian symbols everwhere.

    • LockeJ

      Jacob was created by his mother. As for the island, let me ask you this: Who created the universe?. Will we ever know? does it matter? would you of been satisfied if they said it was an alien spaceship?.

      There were egyptian symbols because at some point in time egpytians came to the island.

      Mysteries solved?. Would seeing some egyptians crash on the island really improve this? Sometimes its better just to think about the answers.

  • jessea

    I’m trying so hard to be at peace with the ending because it’s breaking my heart to feel like the past six years were all for nothing…that ultimately none of it was “real,” that it all took place in the blink of an eye…And to be so confused by the ending that I can’t really have a sense of catharsis or closure…
    I know this is pathetic but I’ve been crying my eyes out–not so much because the story has come to an end (although I know that’s a big part of it–grieving characters that have become so dear) but because the ending was so unsatisfying after all–
    Of course I’ll watch it again, of course I will look for answers embedded in the text (show), but deep down I’ll know I’m sort of making excuses for the show because I can’t bear to be so unhappy with something I loved so much for so long. I don’t even want to start listing my issues with the ending, or analyzing it, because, well…it hurts too much. It’s going to be a few days before I can handle arguing out the fine details of The End. Right now, I just want to cry.

    • jessea

      I rewatched the last ten minutes this morning…and I feel a bit better about some things, understand some things better. Can wrap the explanation I need into what I saw…somewhat. I still had to have a good cry though, and I feel the endness of it more acutely than I thought I would. All day, so far, little bits and pieces of Lost pop up in my mind and make me choke up. I really can’t even read all the argument/conjecturing about interpreting the finale just yet…I can’t even read what y’all are writing, because it still hasn’t settled in yet…and now, after all this, I wonder if our infinitesimal arguments really matter…or do they?

    • myke772

      It didn’t happen in a blink of an eye. Everything that happened happened. How do people come up with that it happened in the blink of an eye? Because the show ended the same as it began? It was just symmetry. All the years on the island happened. The end scene of Jack on the island was after he had done everything that needed to be done. Years after the original crash… fate just led him back to die in the same place he woke up on the island.

  • pete

    it was a good ending – for me the only way to finish the show was with jack dying the way he did – in the bamboo, eye close up, closing shut. For me, that was a stoke of genius. I’m gonna have to digest it all for a bit! – but there are a million and one questions i know i’ll have to think through. For example – Jack not killed by electromagnetism or turned into smoke monster? Was David just a creation to help Jack sort out his issues – seems a shame they had obviously grown so close! Walt? What about all the other characters like eko and anna lucia – why are they out of the loop, whose going to help them ‘remember’? And what is all this ‘remembering’ about!? why would such a place after death completely wipe our memories to help us go on pretty much the same path that we’ve just gone through – good emotional TV i suppose is the obvious answer, but at first glance a bit lacking conceptually for me considering other aspects of the show. Anyhow overall i am pleased despite all that.

    I think that some of the loose ends people are frustrated with are there because of the fact that for quite a while the writers were just opening up so many paths which gave them so many options and mystery possibilities – but when it came to actually finishing the show there were just too many to tie up. For me the best stories always have most of the major plot points worked out from the very beginning – this series was different – i think it was just written from a very loose concept at the beginning – this allowed limitless possibilities and made for an incredibly organic ever-changing story but if i’m honest lacked the tightness which is so important when it comes to ending a story really well.

    For me also – one of the great characters on the show was the island – it was always just as important as jack or locke within the make up of the show. It seems a shame that the last big reveal of the show was totally separate from the island – unless there is some connection between the bright light at the church and the bright light at the centre of the island – a thought that has just occurred to me. would it might have been better if jacob or the island had been more involved in this flash sideways purgatory place to give it more significance to the rest of the story?

    Anyway – cheers for the journey everyone. See you in another life eh?! ps. its my birthday today – what a great present getting to watch the lost series finale on my birthday!

    • Janglefish

      I think when they left the church they were all going back to the island. With the smoke monster gone and the work of Hugo and Ben completed, the island may have finally be an Eden they could enjoy.

  • Jacob’s Revenge

    — The Ultimate Betrayal —
    I’m very disappointed. “The End” was an unfulfilling ending that pandered to the church crowd. Much of what happened in this episode, especially in the context of recent episodes just didn’t make logical, storytelling sense. Cuse & Lindelof just threw a bunch of random story techniques at us all season long for Shock and Awe effect which succeeds at confusing people but not in satisfying them. Also how does a happy, church-based ending complete with enveloping light come to such a dysfunctional group of murderous, duplicitous, and betraying people ?! I defy you to add up all the murders and relationship backstabbing that went on among that group of Oceanics in the church. Simply ridiculous. That wasn’t an ending, it was cast wrap party.

    I had saved every episode of season 5 and 6 on my DVR in the hope that the finale would be so good that it would inspire me to rewatch them all to see how the pieces fit together to make the end. But now, with this, I’m deleting every episode with no intention of watching anything LOST ever again. C&L betrayed us and I’ll be content to never see another show of theirs. Namaste dudes.

    • myke772

      I for one believe that there is hope for such a group. I would go ahead and delete it man. It’s ok. You can let go.

      • Desi’s Brother

        I don’t understand why Michael is stuck on the island as a ghost, but everyone else gets to go off to heaven. Michael is really no worse than any of them he just killed people we liked whereas everyone else killed people we didn’t know or didn’t like.

        I don’t get it.

        • Kermet Key

          Michael was dragged kicking and screaming to his resolution. He only went back to the island because it wouldn’t let him kill himself. He held on to his guilt and wasn’t able to let go.

          Just curious, do people want answer or just to bitch?

    • Catherine

      Did you manage to miss the themes of redemption and forgiveness for the past 6 years? The people in the church were all highly flawed and troubled people before they crashed on the island. Then they redeemed themselves, worked out their issues, got their second chance, however you want to think about it. Those who didn’t find redemption/salvation on the island weren’t at the church.

      Also, how are you suprised that the ending was faith-based? Were you even watching the show and it’s symbology?

      • The Black Rock

        Um yeh, a few good deeds does not for murder make up. And your condescending attitude is typical of you believe-anything-at-the-dropuvahat types. Take it elsewhere Cathy, this forum is for those that can intelligently discuss differing opinions.

        • Beena

          I don’t think she was being condescending at all…

          Faith is frequently very hard for some people to develop, and not as you say “believe-anything-at-the dropuvahat”. Look how long it took Jack to have faith! Some people go through their entire lives in disbelief, never having faith in anything beyond themselves.

          I don’t think you get to decide that she is unable to have an intelligent discussion just because YOU don’t share HER opinion. I happened to find her opinion as valid as anyone else’s here.( Except maybe the Fart Monster.)

  • shea

    i liked it. it left ambiguity open. thats an integal part of the lost process. if x y and z had been explained that would have finished lost offf in its totality. but the island goes on. the sceanes on the island and in the alt with ben and hugo said that for me. brillient. the ending was brillient. all the characters were connected before they set foot on the island on there life on the island, even going back to shoot ben when he was a kid or set of the bomb which placed des in the hatch which ultimatley brought down there plane, why wouldn’t they be connected in death. where ever they go after that, there together. its the comonality though out the series. even down to charlotte not getting that daja vu feeling with her and faradey. it worked for me. any way. its manners to toast the cook. thank you for six seasons of entertainment. all the best to everyone who was apart of it, you have a hard challange to better lost. all the best

  • Denise Farris

    Thought the series was the best I’ve ever seen, and the finale perfect. It wasn’t easy to fully grasp at first. I’d be disappointed if it was. But it was so great I dreamed about it all night. When I woke this morning, it all fell into place and I was glad to read posts that confirmed my final interpretations about a type of purgatory world (flash sideways), redemption, our connectedness, places where time and space do not exist, and a greater spiritual place somewhere “beyond”. “Lost” is like a holographic cube – you can look and look, and get something new from every new perspective. I will miss it greatly!

  • Desi’s Brother

    For those on here who seem to think that everything has been wrapped up and can be explained by rewatching…

    Can SOMEONE please explain to me WHY PREGNANT WOMEN DIE ON THE ISLAND POST-1977?

    No that is not a meaningless question. That issue was huge for season 1,2,3,4 and 5. It was never mentioned in season 6. It was the entire purpose for the character of Juliette.

    I’ve been trying to figure out if there is an explanation. Perhaps the electromagnetism post-incident? But why?

    I’ve thought different things, like maybe there can be no new life on the island because of the flash-sideways universe –but now that isn’t a universe.

    • Chip

      I think the two most likely reasons are the post-Incident electromagnetism, as you say, and/or a rule set by Jacob to keep future children from undergoing what he experienced. Most likely, it’s both.

    • Desi’s Brother

      The funny thing is that if the bomb caused the pregnancy issues then Juliette was the root cause of all the women dying on the island. She was also the cause of herself being brought to the island.

      I feel like Juliette’s death has been rendered meaningless by the ending of LOST. She just killed herself believing in the ability to create an alternate reality that never actually came to be.

    • ls

      Can someone answer the following for me:
      1. If Jacob was so adamant that his brother not leave the island, why did he leave so often to see his candidates in the outside world and since he was the one containing the smoke monster, why couldn’t the monster leave when Jacob left
      2. Why do you assume Jacob is good and MIB is evil – Jacob tried to kill his brother despite the rules (and how are the rules enforced). MIB killed his “mother” who was actually quite an awful person. It seems to me, all three were flawed and they all played with other people’s lives.
      3. Claire was holding her baby in the Church – why didn’t Sun and Jin have their baby.
      4. When the bomb went off and all of our LOST characters were sent back to the future, what happened to all of the other island inhabitants like the Others – why weren’t they killed as well as all of the people in the temple. Their death should have altered everything that happened on the island between the Others and the plane survivors.

  • ghanima

    Hmm, some of these posts look terribly familiar…

    I loved the episode- although I wasn’t wild about the ending, I’ll take it, it could have been worse, the church could have been a space ship.

    There were so many great moments- but the one that keeps sticking out to me that i LOVED was when Sawyer comes in as Jin and Sun are leaving- and has no clue who they are yet, but Sun and Jin know who he is and are at the same time happy to see him and really, really amused that he’s a cop here. Jin’s practically chuckling as he says “Detective.” Adorable.

    Oh, and after all that theorizing about Juliette’s dying words, it turns out “it worked” had nothing to do with her knowledge of the after-effects of the incident or the bomb or the space-time-continuum. She was talking about a frickin’ vending machine. Priceless.

  • Kermet Key

    All I can say regarding those who had such a negative reaction to the finale – please avoid the future conventions and cons. I do not want to listen to you people whine about how the show didn’t answer your questions or live up to your expectations while I’m in line to get Terry O’Quinn’s autograph. Your points are valid to you and to those who feel the same way, but they are not valid to me, nor do I care to debate them.

    I think it is the most emotionally satisfying story I have experienced since the gospels. That seems like hyperbole, but I’ve never dedicated one hour a week, or six years of my life to any other story…except the gospels.

    • Desi’s Brother

      The earth is flat. The universe revolves around the earth. We were created in 6 days.

      Um no.

    • MIBisSATAN

      both the gosepels and lost dragged you in on false faith

  • chris

    The only problem I have with the finale(and the last few seasons really)is it seemed to me they worked to hard at jack vs.sawyer vs.kate vs.juliette relationship wise. I understand the whole “live together die alone” theme from jack during season one, but it just seemed to me they got away from the mystical aspect of the island. im just sayin’… overall though best tv series ever!!!!!!

  • Jason

    “in case you haven’t noticed, i’m a pilot”

  • Jason

    Also, anyone else going to miss Ben’s incredible acting? He really nails his part.

  • TWoods

    Vincent Chase is doing a movie of Lost: The Beginning.

  • LostFan

    Here is another way to look at it, for those who would like another interpretation besides purgatory. I offer this because while I was watching it the first time, I did not view it that they were dead in this current Flash Sideways timeline (and I saw the church differently which I will explain below). Viewing it a second time, I can see the purgatory ending, but I don’t like that interpretation. Since Lost is open to interpretation, and I did not want my favorite characters to die, perhaps this is why I viewed it this way last night.

    This is the way I interpreted the Flash Sideways. Flash Sideways is the Alternate Reality in which Oceanic Flight 815 never crashes. As the series moves toward closure, we see that Desmond Hume is moving the Flash Sideways alternate reality and the island alternate reality (I use the phrase “alternate reality” since there can be more than one reality, as Lost has shown over and over again in its universe) closer and closer together. Desmond has a unique ability to move between the two worlds and this seems linked to his ability to withstand electromagnetic energy and because he is “special” and appears to have a special knowledge and “awakening” which Eloise realizes and is alarmed by.

    I noticed that in the Flash Sideways world, many things seems to be the opposite of the original reality that we were presented with in Lost when Oceanic Flight 815 took off. Sawyer is not a con man; he is a police detective. Hurley is not unlucky; he is a lucky man. Jack is still a doctor, but he is not unstable with a drinking problem like he was when Oceanic 815 first took off at the beginning of Lost; instead, he is stable and has a son. Sun and Jin have ended up happily together and have survived, which is the opposite of what has happened on the island where they are in a watery grave. Everything seems the opposite of what has happened to them on the island. Yin/yang. Not all things are opposite, but many are.

    In the Flash Sideways timeline universe, Desmond gets the flight manifest of Oceanic 815 and begins to get people to “remember” each other. He does this even though Eloise asks him to leave it alone. Desmond knows that the people on Oceanic 815 would not have met in this Flash Sideways timeline, since this is an alternate reality. So they would not know each other. And yet they would have met, if one believes in alternate realities, alternate timelines, or however one wishes to name it. Or, as Daniel Faraday says about the bomb, what if we are not supposed to be here? What if we are not supposed to be in this reality? What if we are supposed to be in another reality? What if we are only here because I set off a bomb?

    People begin to remember each other. The culminating event is a concert. Then they meet at Eloise’s church. Jack speaks to his father. Jack’s remembrance of his memories begins when he touches his father’s coffin. Yes, Jack has died, and so has his father, but both of those deaths occurred in an alternate reality/alternate timeline. We have seen plenty of these in Star Trek, where Captain Kirk has died or even the whole crew of a Star Trek vessel has died in an alternate universe, yet in the “real” universe they are okay once again and are not dead but are very much alive. So really, this is not so far-fetched.

    Jack has a conversation with his father in the church.

    “You died,” he says to him.
    “Yes. Yes I did.” his father replies.
    “Then how are you here right now?” Jack asks him.
    “How are you here?” Jack’s father responds.

    Many people would argue that purgatory is the only option for an explanation here. I would disagree. In the SciFi universe and plotlines, and anywhere that alternate timelines are used, people can die in one timeline and not die in another timeline. They can die in one timeline and come back to life and/or be very much alive in an alternate timeline as was recently done in the Star Trek movie. I would offer that they could die in the island timeline but still be alive in the Flash Sideways timeline, which is what I thought when I was watching the show last night. Maybe it is because I don’t automatically couch things in religious terms, even when people are standing in a church. Also, all along the writers had set up this “what if Oceanic Flight 815 never crashed?” which is a real possibility. What if it hadn’t crashed?

    “I died, too,” Jack says.
    “It’s okay,” Jack’s father says.

    From this dialogue I did not automatically assume they are in purgatory. What I believe they are doing is suddenly remembering and reconnecting with a traumatic event (their own death) in a timeline they have had no connection with whatsoever up until this point: the timeline that crashed Oceanic 815 on the island. Just as in Star Trek when two timelines are completely unlikely to ever intersect, this is exactly like that. It is one thing for Lost to have timelines which interweave, when the characters would likely remember them, such as going from the 1970s to the present, but this is different. The timeline of Oceanic Flight 815 that never crashes is extremely likely never going to remember the timeline of Oceanic Flight 815 that crashes on the island. Those two timelines were never meant to intersect. But here, in this church, because of Eloise, and her unique abilities which allow her to manipulate forces of time and nature, and her pendulum, these timelines can intersect. And Desmond, who can float between those two worlds, who has some sort of unique properties, who himself is special, has facilitated this happening. So now Jack is remembering his death in this other timeline. And he is acknowledging that death. And his father is also acknowledging that he died in that other timeline.

    But now note in the next few sentences of dialogue something critically important: that they are not saying they are dead *now*, in the current moment.

    “I love you, Dad.”
    “I love you too, son.”
    “Are you real?” Jack asks. (Which is another way of asking if his father is alive.)
    Jack’s father laughs. “I sure hope so! Yeah, I’m real. You’re real. Everything that’s ever happened to you is real. (To me, this is saying that he is alive, and that all of the timelines he has experienced have been real: he has lived out each of them fully. In some of them he has lived and in some of them he has died. In the current one, he is alive; he is “real.”)
    “All those people in the church, they’re all real, too.” Jack’s father says.
    “They’re all dead?” Jack asks.
    “Everyone dies sometime, kiddo. Some of them before you, some of them long after you.” Jack’s father answers. (This is a typical Lost non-answer, but I prefer to view it as a “No.” As in, No, they are not dead, yet. They will die one day, but they are not dead yet. Not in this Flash Sideways timeline — which of course has been “suspended” inside Eloise’s church, where they have all come to meet. It is necessary for them to have a meeting place, because they have done something most unusual — they have crossed between two timelines that were never supposed to intersect: one which crashed Oceanic 815 on the island, and the other in which Oceanic 815 landed in Los Angeles. Or, Jack’s father could be saying that in other alternate timelines some of them died before Jack, the proverbial shrugging of the shoulders, yet in this universe some of them may die after Jack. But what I can say is this. Jack’s father did not say, “Yes, they are dead.” He did not answer yes. He simply said that everyone dies sometime. He did not say they were dead. I choose to believe that in the timeline they are all about to embark on, that they are not dead yet.)

    But why are they all here now?” Jack asks.
    “Well, there is no ‘now’ here,” Jack’s father responds. (That is true: there is no “now” in Eloise’s church, because Eloise has the ability to suspend time. We have seen her stop time before. We have seen her warp time. We have seen our characters time travel into the past and future. As this is a SciFi show, it makes sense that there is no “now” in the “intersection” place that they have chosen to meet, in this place between two timelines — the Oceanic 815 timeline that crashes on the island and the Oceanic 815 timeline that never crashes on the island. They have chosen to meet in a place that is untouchable by time so that neither timeline is affected and so that the characters can meet undisturbed and that their memories and experiences and interactions are undisturbed, and so that when they leave and go forward they can create a new timeline together or so that they can continue on in the Flash Sideways timeline together, having all met now and recognized each other, now that their memories are now all reignited. That was the important part: to reignite their memories so that they could find one another again.)
    “Where are we, Dad?” Jack asks.
    “This is a place that you all made together so that you could find one another,” Jack’s father answers. “The most important part of your life was the time that you spent with these people. That’s why all of you are here. Nobody does it alone, Jack. You needed all of them. And they needed you.”
    “For what?” Jack asks.
    “To remember,” Jack’s father says. “And to let go.”
    (I take this as letting go of all of the hurt and damage that Jacob said was the reason he chose them as candidates to come to the island in the first place.)
    “Kate — she said we were leaving,” Jack asks.
    “Not leaving. No.” Jack’s father says. “Moving on.”
    “Where are we going?” Jack asks.
    “Let’s go find out,” Jack’s father says.

    At this point, they walk into the church. I like to think they walk through the doors of light (let us remember that Eloise is not an ordinary person, and that is not an ordinary church and never has been; remember the giant pendulum?) into either a new timeline, or back into the Flash Sideways timeline, and start their lives out together anew, as they were meant to be, without the damage and the baggage. They get to live happily ever after. Charlie and Claire and Aaron. Sun and Jin. Jack and Kate. Locke who can now walk without a wheelchair and live with his wife. I can say she wasn’t in the church not because she wasn’t dead but because the church was Eloise’s and the only people there were people involved in the Oceanic 815 timeline(s). Penny was there with Desmond, yet we have no reason to think she was dead as there was no evidence ever given for her being dead that I can remember. As far as I know, Penny was alive, yet she was in the church.

    Upon viewing the ending a second time I know the writers want us to think of this as purgatory, but I thought I would share how I was viewing it last night when I watched it. I know the writers refer to it as Jack’s “life” (singular) but after all of the alternate realities and alternate timelines presented, and after all of the time travel over the show’s many seasons, I am not going to let go and give up with only one explanation/theory of the finale. So here is an alternative.

    I had no problem with the spiritual aspects of the show but I preferred the writers to lean toward mythology, which is a part of the show I really enjoyed, such as the mythological aspects of bringing gods down to earth, humanizing them as we humans did to ancient gods in earth’s history, as the writers did with Jacob and the MIB and their human beginnings, and not make the ending so much about straight on Christianity which seems to be what the writers tried to do in the final episode. But that was not what I saw and interpreted upon initial viewing last night, only what I started reading about from various media sources after I watched it.

    • Chip

      It was definitely not “straight on Christianity” by any means. Beyond the church having Muslim, Buddhist, yin/yang, and other symbols (see especially the stained-glass window behind Jack in the anteroom), there’s no way you could consider the show’s view of life and death to be Christian per se. It’s influenced by some aspects of Christianity, yes, but influenced by many other religions as well. LOST has a very syncretic spirituality.

      No, the writers did not want us to think of it as Purgatory. Darlton said a month or two back that the show took some concepts from Purgatory, but there’s no Purgatory per se. The difference is important.

      • LostFan

        Perhaps I shouldn’t have said Christianity, as I have no problem with Christianity, and should have instead said general religions (having no problem with any of them either), regardless of the religion portrayed. Whether it was purgatory or just a place that drew some elements from purgatory, I would have preferred that the last show not have dealt with — no other way to put it here — killing off all the characters. It was a beautifully done show, but in the end, all of the characters die, if I am to go by the writer’s interpretation. I can respect their interpretation, but I also offer one of my own.

    • ls

      In this final episode, Desmond tells Jack that he is not afraid. He tells him that he knows he will see him again. It is almost as if he is the same Desmond as the one in the alternate timeline and knows that they exist elsewhere.

  • LaFleur Me

    Everyone seems to be obsessing over the church scene as the “end” and final resolution of the whole show -it was only one of the resolutions we got last night – we also got the island resolution and it was on the island that the last shot/scene took place -jack’s death. In the Pilot Charlie asks the big overall question of LIFE -“where are we”? The show took 6 years to explain what the island is (the source) and why our 815’s were brought there (someone needed to protect the source). All the other timelines were evidence that “man” had not progressed enough to be responsible with the Light/Source/Island. Jacob kept bringing them there and eventually each group tried to exploit the Island for their own gains – and were wiped out by Jacob. MIB’s 1st group was the first to try and harness and use the light -Mother wiped them out; then Widmore was excelled for the same thing, Dharma folk were killed when they proved they couldn’t follow “the rules” and chose to go off their reservation and dig where they weren’t supposed to. What we saw last night was centuries in the making- a few good people all willing to sacrifice -first for each other (Charlie to Sayid) and then for the good of all (Jack). Because they all loved each other so much they were willing to do the final heroic act -die for each other and the world (and if the name Shepard hadn’t tipped you off on day 1 that Jack was a Christ figure, well….)

    The church resolution and sideways was all important too -we need each other to achieve enlightenment- to go to Nirvana. They all looked blissful in the church even though they wee letting go of loved ones -Helen, David, Nadia, etc. They were “awake” “Enlightened” -they had become Buddhas -but not from hiding from the world with prayer, etc but by living IN the world and learning the truth -All You Need is Love. In all major religions -Love is always the final key.

  • Jack’s Sidekick

    They did it.

    • erikire

      They fucked up the show, yes, they did.

  • Buzzkiller

    I LOVED the finale – I was actually crying! I loved the fact that they were all reunited in the end. I’m the sort of guy that likes a happy ending with everyone surviving and living out their lives, so given the circumstances, that was a very emotionally satisfying conclusion. Makes up for Jack (and everyone else over the years) dying.

    Yeh they didn’t answer many of the main questions – but I think we all knew deep down that they wouldn’t. Back in the old days I always wanted Lost to end with a big reveal that would link everything and make sense of all the mysteries. But over the years its become obvious they wouldn’t go down this route – so I’d already grown accustomed to the idea of having many things go unexplained.

    • But

      But everyone didn’t survive and live out their lives. Instead, all the characters died. What we witnessed at the end was their going on to the afterlife, not their going on to live out their lives, which would have been my preference. I love happy endings, too. But I like my characters to end up alive, not dead.

      • Trip

        What about the Ajira plane passing overhead as Jack dies? Kate, Sawyer, Claire, Miles, Alpert and Lapidus all got to live out their lives. So did Hurley and Ben on the island and Desmond who they sent back to Penny and baby Charlie. Plenty of characters got to live happily ever after.

  • Buzzkiller

    As much as I loved the finale, I’m still a bit gutted that Jack died – the best character on the show deserved to live! But I guess the ending wouldn’t have had anywhere near the emotional impact had he survived. However I really liked the way he lay on the floor with his eyes shutting (reflecting back to the Pilot), happy that he fulfilled his purpose in life, and with good ol’ loyal Vincent laying beside him!

    • katieb817

      I really liked how Vincent laid down beside Jack…to me I’ve always had a special place in my heart for dogs because they are Man’s best friend and dog spelled backwards is God. In my opinion, they are considered man’s best friend because they don’t judge and show us unconditional, just like God does (my God at least).

  • Chris

    How can anyone accept the sloppy and sappy writing of the finale. after all the years of build up, they just side step it and say it doesnt matter? thats just lazy! They may as well have left out the mystery and made the show a crappy soap opera

  • Insulted

    Not all of our questions on Lost were answered, and I was not satisfied with the preachy, churchy ending. I would have liked it if they had ended up surviving the island experience and all coming out on the other side, reuniting, and living happily ever after. Corny, yes, but I would have been happy with it. But something about making them all dead and having them all go into another life when I myself don’t necessarily believe in an afterlife felt a bit forced. I am an atheist. I didn’t like the idea of the show suddenly popping up and yelling, SURPRISE! HERE’S YOUR RELIGIOUS ENDING NOW THAT YOU WEREN’T EXPECTING!

    I enjoyed the show’s mythology, and even some spirituality. But not a full-blown, churchy, religious ending. That I wasn’t expecting. Certainly not from Lost. I was disappointed.

    More and more, the ending is beginning to feel like an insult.

    • MIBisSATAN

      amen, insulated. could not have put it better myself.the whole ‘were meeting up for a gateway to heaven party’ didnt even fit in with the whole mythology and elements of the previous 5 years. TERRIBLE.

  • TWoods

    They were dead on the Island. It wasn’t real. But that doesn’t really matter anyways because the love and the emotions were real. They can make new friends in this first step towards an afterlife and take it with them into the light. Some don’t need this step and go straight into the light but these losties needed it. Don’t need to figure out if the Island was in this life or the afterlife. It was in their afterlife and they ultimately took their newfound emotions with them.

  • sparafucile

    Why was Penny with Des at the church? She’s never been tot he island, she’s not dead, and she’s not imaginary.

    • MIBisSATAN

      the point was that in thier dead-meeting up reality time didnt matter, they all met when they died to move on. i know, its what id like to call GASH

  • At the end of the day–”Cherish the journey” and “It’s all about the characters” are both bullshit copouts.

    Imagine for a second, that you start a company. And for some time, that company has a fantastic run; but then it crashes and burns to the ground. You will find yourself standing in front of your loyal, tearful employees telling them that they should “Cherish the journey and love the people you worked with, but it’s all over.”

    The unforgettable, unforgivable point is that crashing and burning to the ground is not the outcome you desired. It is the outcome that sprang from your inability to shape and deliver the outcome you wanted.

    “Cherish the journey” becomes the only hook you can hang your hat on because you failed. Completely. Miserably. Failed.

    Failure is the only reason to hang your hat on “journey” as opposed to a satisfying outcome. There is a reason that Deus ex Machina is frowned upon by writers that have a brain; and these “two uppity cunts” have just demonstrated that they’re amateurs. Beyond the shadow of a doubt.

  • file1062

    I didn’t love, love the finale, but it wasn’t in the least disappointing. It was satisfying in it’s own way. I was hoping for answers to the islands mysteries, there are so many, but another part of me was glad they tied up the people stories and not the island character. I see a new series in a couple of years after the creative rests and a whole new set of characters to fall in love with. Essentially, the island’s story can go on forever.

    For those who say they wasted six years, that’s just seems utterly silly. It was one hour a week part of the year, what did you do with all your other hours. The bottom line for those that feel this way, even if you spent additional hours trying to unravel things, is that it entertained you for many hours, hopefully a fraction of your life but nonetheless, it was excellent, amazing entertainment. Just because you didn’t like the final doesn’t mean that you wasted 6 years of your life any more than if someone you spent six years with suddenly dies. What happened happened, you were entertained. In the later however, THAT really is life, the creative people who entertained us with lost never said it was more than a television show. A unique one at that.

    Here’s to hoping for a movie, or a whole new six years a few years from now.

  • vpflueg

    “Live Together, Die Alone”, Spend eternity with those you love. When Kate asked Jack, “Will I see you again?” Isn’t this the question we all ask ourselves at a loved ones funeral? When we go to heaven, we get to see all our family and friends and be reunited with the ones I love and have loved in my life. At least this was the way I was raised and probably many of you reading this post.

    We all have to let go of this mortal life and go into the light–It’s not that complicated to figure out the ending. It was a very satisfying ending.

    Lost began it’s journey with characters who were lost in their own lives and ended with them all finding themselves by their experiences on the island with each other. They all decided to find each other after their mortal lives were over at the point they were at their happiest and move on to the next phase of existence, in my opinion – Heaven.

    Q:Lost? A:Love.

  • Insulted

    Why wasn’t Nadia in the church along with Sayid?

    Surely Nadia, who also is dead, is more important to Sayid’s real life than the super shallow Shannon, whom he ends up with in the end? I found that so unsatisfying.

    Really, writers? You are going to put Sayid with Shannon? Why? Because she is a cast member, available, and you want to show the whole “Boone and Shannon” thing there at the church? There were better ways to do that.

    Very trite. Very disappointed.

    What I see the fans doing is trying to make excuses for bad writing.

    Writing 101: Do not kill off all of your characters in the end. But Lost writers took the easy way out and killed all of them. Congratulations, writers! I suppose you satisfied some (and I get the faith versus science argument, but really, there were other ways to have that argument; it did not have to end like this, with them standing in a church and walking off into the sky– and it takes a lot for granted, such as, “all of the people watching believe in an afterlife.”). And apparently, from all of the enthusiastic clapping, a lot of them do. I have heard everything from Jack Shephard was Christ (or other religious figure; take your pick) due to his last name — what I think now is that the writers did not put nearly as much thought into this as we are giving them credit for. It was a simplistic ending neatly tied into a spiritual bow, leaving much to be desired. I wouldn’t have minded if the ending had had some spiritual references, along with some mythological ones and scientific ones and SciFi ones and other references, but I felt as though I was bound and gagged and herded like cattle down a ramp toward one Source, one religious ending forced upon me, and I had no choice in the matter.

    • milo

      Sounds like you misunderstood the finale, they did not kill off the other characters. It was just an epilogue that took place after they had all died (I assume in many cases, of natural causes, probably decades later).

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